Can’t believe no one posted this yet. Good for the White House for calling it like it is. Too bad it’s taken them so long.
I’m honestly wondering - if more people in positions of power on the left took the time to say, “FOX is not a news site, it is a propaganda mill for the right-wing that consistently lies to its viewers on virtually every issue”, would that shift the conversation at all, or would it just entrench people further?
It would only acknowledge their BS and give it some validity. It’s best to totally ignore them, just treat them like the crazies they are.
My 84 year old and believes every word they preach, and even some of the lies they’ve given up on. Like she still believes Obama is a Muslim who’s a spy/demon sent to destroy the country. She says he wears some sort of lapel pin that proves he’s not a Christian and is part of some nefarious Muslim sect.
She doesn’t read any books, magazines, or even a newspaper. She has the TV on all day, to Fox
or the 700 Club. Her only source.
It’s sad that the two “Godly” “Christian” “Pro Founding Father” TV shows are total liars.
Actually, since the ultimate source of the story is Fox, do we even have confirmation that Fox did not just invent it? (I realize it came through KOS, but they were just laughing about the Fox report, not verifying it.
Why was there a lunch for an event beginning at 9:00 p.m.?
That’s a really good point. I can’t find any push back on the story from any other sources and it has been widely reported through various media – but no other independent news source has confirmed the story. OTOH, neither have any denied or refuted it.
Luncheon was held earlier in the day. That’s not uncommon.
In fact, the only two sources I have found for the story are a collection of Right Wing publications repeating it or using it to be indignant and a collection of Left Wing outlets using it to laugh at Fox in the manner of KOS. There has been no news source that has (yet) asked the White House to comment.
It would be interesting to see what actually happened (and get the White House response).
Fox News taken to task for poor ethics by [del]Liberal[/del] [del]watchdog[/del] [del]thinktank[/del] [del]lobbyist organization[/del] Vermont High School journalism students.
Plenty of tinder around, Fox just keeps clicking its lighter:
The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts. [Federalist #10, James Madison, Nov 1787]
With all due respect, you will NEVER kill the beast by appealing to partisan sentiments–it’s just more dry kindling. Where is the wisdom in anything this network airs? Ignorance of history, of human nature, failure to point out or pursue a common good…
Here we have the definition of irony. O’Reilly warning us about the deception one may stumble across on the internet. Rich!
If you just substitute the name “Bill O’Reilly” every time he says “Amanda Taub”, he makes perfect sense.
That totally fucking rocked! Thanks for the link!
I found this interesting. I was driving to work and I passed the area with several gas stations where the gas is cheapest on my route and noticed that the price went up past $2 a gallon.
I was curious so I googled it on my phone when I got to work. Here’s the screenshot:
Notice anything?
Glad you liked it. Apparently Bill O’Reilly (sort of) responded to the video. His effort would have gotten him laughed out of Great Debates.
Hello everyone. I have been away quite some time and just checking in. So a few points.
When I said Benghazi is not being investigated I did assume since this is a 16 page long thread about broadcast new organizations that all would assume I was referring to broadcast news outlets. Not that congress is. My bad on that.
The fact is almost all broadcast new outlets are ignoring that. Personally I don’t give that all much thought, as I am not a fanatic on that and many other things. I am simply making the point that not all people agree with your opinions that you claim are hard facts…
I know this is hard for you all to think back that far, but there was a time when news organizations actually investigated and reported on ill doings of the government. They do not any more, or if they actually do the top brass shuts them down. Personally I feel we are all a lot worse off for that.
You want a cite on this then google “Watergate” and check it out. You will note the major players were from a newspaper, however the TV broadcast new contributed a lot with that issue. There is also a book and a movie on the subject.
I see another post in which I was accused of lying about the % of adult population employed is the lowest in decades. Will you accept the US Bureau of Labor Statistics ?
If so then check here http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000 If that not work then google “Employment-Population Ratio Bureau of Labor Statistics” and click on the top link
I’ll summarize for you. In January of 1984 the “Employment-population ratio” was 59.9 % The next month of February it was 60%. It did not drop below 60% until March of 2009. That is a period of 25 years. The % has remained below 60 since March of 2009, that is the entire Obama Presidency. Although it is ticking up recently it has not yet crossed 60%
I believe that 25 years can qualify as decades.
There can be dueling statistics here, but I’ll go with the official ones from the US government. I am actually surprised I was called a liar on something that is so readily found. I doubt I’ll receive an apology on that.
Budget Player………………please note the cite.
John Stamos’ Left Ear. No need to berate me on the congressional investigations.
I’m not debating issues things here off topic. I simply made the point that not all agree with the points being made here. There are others viewpoints besides yours. Again your opinions do not translate to facts. I know that you would like them to, but that is not the case.
The “hard facts” are that the rest of the mainstream media didreport on Benghazi, but that once the facts were out there, Fox continued to “report” lies and speculation for months without uncovering a single new fact.
Then, when a Republican dominated Congressional investigation reported that the lies and speculation trumpeted by Fox for months had no basis in fact, and that the story reported by the mainstream media was essentially correct, Fox buried the story.
While I would agree that I would prefer to see more in-depth investigative reporting, (a loss due more to budget cuts in newsrooms as companies seek to make the news “profitable”), your allusion to Watergate demonstrates a serious failure of historical awareness. Watergate received minimal coverage in the news from its occurrence in June, 1972, until several months after the election in early 1973. Woodward and Bernstein were mocked for their fixation on such a small story for months. It was not until one of the burglars began talking about a higher cover-up, (well after Nixon had been re-elected), that the news media began to sniff out a story and began investigating it. TV just came along for the ride after it got too big to ignore.
Based on the errors in this post, alone, I would question how much you think “facts” are an issue. No one has presented any information that demonstrates that the other (certainly flawed) news outlets are as bad Fox, deliberately providing false information as “news” the way that Fox does.
Here again is your original claim:
- Clearly, you are talking about the current economy and the current employment situation. This is apparent both in your use of the word “this” as well as your agenda - which is to try to counter the current discussion of the emerging positive economic and employment data.
It makes no sense to pretend that you were talking about the employment data from 3 years ago. It simply wouldn’t have been relevant to the point you were trying to make about “this” economy. Further, the idea that the economic collapse of 2008-09 - and its follow on effects on employment - was the worst economic thing in decades is in no way controversial.
Claiming that you were talking about 2011 being the worst in decades just simply does not fly.
- The current unemployment, as measured by your preferred metric of employment to population ratio is not the worst in decades. It’s also disingenuous to say that it is “ticking upward.” Your data says that the low point was in July of 2011, when it was 58.2%. It is now 59.2%. This change from the lowest point is one percentage point.
The full range of the data you provided, over the past 10 years, is 63.4 - 58.2 = 5.2. The average is 60.5. An improvement of 1 percentage point represents 20% of the range over the past year, and moves it halfway back to the series average. There is simply no legitimate way to call this “ticking upward.”
I have no earthly idea why you would believe that you are owed an apology.
You mean like the many pieces CNN, ABC, MSNBC, the BBC, and countless other mainstream news stories did on the subject? I’d throw in links on each of those, but given the lack of effort you’ve put into researching this, I can’t be bothered. Not even for LMGTFY links. Because at this point, I’m not convinced you’re ever going to admit that you’re wrong on this issue, no matter what evidence we provide.
You know what else not many news outlets are reporting on? The Pearl Harbor conspiracy. Do you ever wonder why they haven’t been reporting on that? Because it’s both old news and complete bullshit!
You know what? When you provide evidence that this is actually the case, I’ll believe you. The fact that you’re stating this in a context that implies very heavily that you’re talking about Benghazi, though, is, to put it bluntly, hilarious. There was no ill-doing of the government on Benghazi. Numerous government investigations from both sides of the aisle came to that conclusion. It’s been over two years of Republicans making hay over a scandal that was almost completely made-up. You know what the ill-doings in government were here? The fact that they wasted so much time and money on this fabrication.
I’m really not sure what I’m supposed to note. Congratulations, you cherry-picked a non-standard unemployment measure (that only came into use when it became politically useful as a tool to bash the democrats). That’s nice. The fact is that job numbers are up, and that the economic upturn is very real and newsworthy. And FOX buried that story in favor of continuing to report on the republican equivalent of Richard Gage and AE911Truth. (And it is in fact quite telling that that person is not some nutcase on the fringe, but rather a member of congress.)
Yes. And they’re wrong. Your weak attempts to justify FOX News wasn’t even made up of things they got right! It was made of hand-waving excuses, appeals to a conspiracy theory where you are factually wrong, and cherry-picked statistics that miss the broader point entirely. Here, let me help everyone involved. This was your big argument:
…Ergo everyone else is just as bad.
It is not an opinion that the numbers last month were really, really good and FOX buried the news. It is not an opinion that Benghazi has been investigated to the point where any more would have been beating a dead horse a year ago. It is an opinion that trying to distract from the real issues of racial inequality when dealing with the police by pointing to black-on-black violence is incredibly tasteless and racist; but it is not an opinion that it is a pointless dodge with absolutely no relevance.
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Concerning Watergate the point being the WaPo pushed and pushed and they kept finding things that not add up, and worked more. When it reached a critical mass everyone else did jump on the bandwagon, and your point to that is correct.
Here is what did not happen. They did not rely on the Congressional investigations, and say, “Oh well there is no more to see here, guess we will move along” Can you honestly say that is the modus operandi of the media now ?
Is there more to Benghazi, or any thing else ? Hell if I know, but what I can tell you for sure it is not being pursued in the media.
I understand full well it is budgets, etc driving the demise of that. Again that is a huge problem in my opinion. Personally I want a healthy 4th estate to keep the government on its toes, and I want them to be an equal investigator of all malfeasance left and right. To me the decision of what is NOT investigated, or covered, is just as egregious as all you complain about.
All I see here is bitching and moaning about Fox said this, and FOX said that and oh my what an error that is. Meanwhile the entire rest of the media is taking a leave of absence from their job and no one gives a crap about that.
**Hentor the barbariar **
What I said on the economy is correct, you’re getting way to specific for the general point I am making.
One side can say the economy is improving and look at the unemployment numbers that show that point. That is a correct statement.
The other side can say well the unemployment numbers do not include all who have given up looking for work. Perhaps in the current times a better indicator is to % employed and that is the lowest in decades, and that is also correct.
They are not mutually exclusive. To say that the 1st is the only correct fact and the other is a deliberate lie is being more than a bit disingenuous