I’m just intrigued because last time we had this discussion a lot of people spent a lot of time typing out how something isn’t a slur if a member of the group in question says it isn’t but this time the response is universal that it’s a slur. Did all those posters from the earlier thread take a 24 hour lunch or what?
I saw no poster prior to your post who claimed to be Jewish and also claimed that they did not consider it a slur. What prompted you to make this claim?
Aside from the satiric e-zine reference, (in which the term is used ironically–thus relying on the fact that it is a slur to make their point), what Jews do you find saying it is not a slur?
Not an unworthy conversation, and one I’ve engaged in at least twice on this board, but this thread seems to be framing it around whether or not cync did anything inherently wrong using offensive language by telling the Hebes/Heebs “O hai!” My response is dude, whatever. If you want to ask when ethnic slurs are appropriate, please don’t create it in this context, asking if what she did was so terrible, because in this case, the word in question was definitely a slur, as it came from a super troll. If you want to have the slur discussion, have it, but don’t be like “Why was this thread closed? When is it okay to use slurs here?” It’s definitely not okay when coming from posters like her.
And, fwiw, the ‘r’ and ‘t’ being so close together on the keyboard isn’t ordinarily a problem, but it sure as shit as making the word ‘slur’ difficult to type for me.
I always thought Hebe was a pretty good-looking Chinese singer (image search it). Good thing nobody asked me if I like Hebe.
Hebe (pronounced with two syllables) is also the Greek goddess of youth.
Referring to her would be unlikely to result in getting a warning. (Reconsiders: Do I really want to throw down that gauntlet? Oh, what the hell.)
I have, and I was actually thinking of Heeb magazine as well, which someone already mentioned (and which had a print edition until a couple years ago).
Oh thank god. I got really sad for a minute there.
Nothing to new to add, but will re-emphasize (and, trust me, I’m Jewish) that ‘Hebe’ is not unlike the ‘n-word’. That is, yes, it is used among members of the tribe but when spoken by a non-Jew it’s almost always considered derogatory at best.
I came in to mention the Archie Bunker references. IMO, it was a slur, though he respected the professionalism of his attorneys – “… Rabinowitz, Rabinowitz, Rabinowitz, and Sons, seven savage Jews that’ll pick your bones clean.”
I (and my wife) obviously are hold a minority view on this. (“Racial”, “Religious”, “Ethnic” it’s all the same to me. In 44 years in Quebec I have gotten used to everyone mixing up those words all the time.) Perhaps, as one poster suggested, it is something that Jews can freely use among themselves that outsiders cannot. Still there are real slurs, e.g. the k-word, that I would never, ever use. Anyway, I asked a question and it is answered so I wouldn’t mind seeing this closed.
That was My first thought, but I’m not Jewish and I may even not know any ( it’s not My business anyway ).
In Finland ‘Kike’ is usual nickname for very common female names ‘Kirsi’ or Kirsti’ and of course there’s ‘Kike’ Elomaa and she’s pretty right wing for a Finn ( in The U.S. she’d still be ‘a commie’ ). The Jewish connection AFAIK is almost unknown, so if some Finn tries to log here with a username Kike, she might do it perfectly innocently. It’s pronounced differently anyway - like ki(ck)-ke(vin). I think Enrique Sola is similar case.
“Kike” (pronounced more or less Kee-kay) is also a fairly common nickname in Spanish, such as National Geographic photographer Kike Calvo. I’m surprised he doesn’t use a different spelling, since he’s based in New York.
Sometimes here in Panama you see big billboards that say KIKE! because that’s the nickname of a local politician. It still makes me do a double take.
So if someone is only attracted to Jews, are they a Hebeophile?
>_>
d&r
Dopers, smartest message board posters in the world, of course they told of Heeb magazine and the Greek goddess of youth before I even saw the thread let alone got a chance to post. Good job, chaverim.
Just want to reiterate as I’ve done before: The word Jew is perfectly legitimate and non-derogatory as a noun. The noun part is important. Just don’t use it as a verb or adjective, because that makes it a slur. This is an objectively verifiable fact of the English language, and you don’t have to be Jewish to know that.
“You know, I was having lunch with some guys from NBC, so I said, ‘Did you eat yet or what?’ And Tom Christie said, ‘No, JEW?’ Not ‘Did you?’…JEW eat? JEW? You get it? JEW eat?” – Annie Hall (1977)
Greeks have a goddess of youth? I thought the popularity of youth was relatively… young.
Tell that to Ganymede, Zeus’ catamite and a symbol of the “popularity of youth” to some ancient Greeks.
So it’s OK if I start a GQ thread entitled “Any luck with hebes?”?
Just to add another vote, I’m Jewish and definitely consider “Hebe” to be an insult. Not quite as bad as “kike,” but only in the sense that “jungle bunny” is not quite as bad as “nigger.” And while blacks sometimes do use “nigger” to each other, I have NEVER heard anyone Jewish use the term “Hebe” to another Jew.
I’m not sure exactly what your issue is, but generally speaking*, we don’t ban until someone has (a) racked up multiple warnings for the same (or similar) offenses; (b) had a period of suspension; and (c) continues the misbehavior. In this instance, we followed protocol: cynyc has received many warnings, was supsended for a month back in June, and continued the inappropriate behaviors.
- There are obvious exceptions, like spammers, who get insta-ban.
This matches my experience as well.