NPR? Lord God, Jim Bob, what a hardcore Marxist organization? Didn’t they give a forum to that bomb-throwing loon, Bill Moyers? A radical revolutionary if ever I saw one, seething with proletariat fury! And don’t even get me started on that commited Trotskyist, Mark Shields!
It matters not what the New Black Panther’s lefty standing is. The fact is that they pretty clearly broke the law. Further, Obama’s politically (and racially? how can one not think that too?) charged Justice Dept let them get away with this. Sorry, it’s indefensible. I’m glad you have no problem with it, but it’s still indefensible.
PS Not sure what you mean by laying the blame at the ‘persecuters’… surely you’re not blaming the victim, are you? I mean, sure she shouldn’t have been jogging in Central Park after midnight, what was she thinking? Of course she was raped, after all there were some wilding teenagers right there…
There wasn’t any voter intimidation, and I would have said the same thing if it was a guy in a Klan robe. The Panthers never harassed or threatened any voters and never tried to tell them who to vote for. The guy the Panther is yelling at on tape was a GOP poll watcher, not a voter. Voter inimidation charges require some actual evidence that voters were intimidated. Not one voter claimed to have been intimidated, so there wasn’t any evidence to support that charge.
If a couple of guys in Klan robes were standing outside a polling place as poll watchers (as the Panthers were), but they were not bothering any voters, I would not want them charged with voter intimidation, even if one of them had a stick and bitched to another poll watcher about race traitors.
The fact that anyone actually buys that there was some kind of nefarious, racist conspiracy going on with dropping a civil suit for lack of evidence just serves to prove why it’s safe to doubt the intellectual capabilities of people who believe everything they see on Fox News.
Wait… what? Adultery by the president isn’t newsworthy? That’s your story? The fact that Newsweek was sitting on it until the conservative media scooped them isn’t relevant?
Either you are whooshing me, or you are so far gone that further conversation is probably useless.
No you haven’t. You’ve ignored them. FOX News promotes false information. Things that are not factually true. It does this all the time and there is simply no comparison to any of the so-called MSM on this point.
FOX News viewers want to have their ignorant view of the world tickled. That’s what the channel is for.
You missed the whole point. FOX News promotes false information. They aren’t giving info that the so called MSM isn’t. They are giving false information.
FOX News lied to you. The Black Panther story isn’t a story. It is a tiny little incident that has been trumped up to tickle the fantasy world view of people, like yourself.
You also mentioned ACORN, and factually, ACORN did nothing wrong. You believe they did, because you don’t understand what factually happened in reality. ACORN was destroyed by lies promoted by FOX News, not by journalism.
You should live you life basing your opinions on facts, not seeking lies that support your opinions.
It isn’t for good reason. It’s because their ignorant view of reality isn’t supported by facts. Their fantasy flies in conflict with the actual world.
I understand that when you’ve been proven wrong it is your desire to declare victory. You have done this before. But when you are factually incorrect and basing your opinions on lies, you have not won. This isn’t about slamming your fingers into your ears and shouting “I WIN!”, this is about FOX Viewers believing things that are simply not true.
And that actually supports what I’ve been saying, if the MSM was liberal or taken as liberal one would see those numbers go higher for Democrats (after all they are liberal, don’t cha know )
That total level of distrust (Only 29% of the public trust the MSM and FOX) does include conservatives and liberals that are not happy with the way the mainstream is giving us the news.
For democrats at least they should be more positive if the opinion that the MSM is liberal is valid. Almost 60% of democrats still think the MSM gets the news wrong, for Republicans it is almost 70% even when FOX is included.
Repulsive, disgusting. Of all the analogies you might have chosen, what on earth made you pick that one? I would hope you’d be ashamed of it, I fear I will be disappointed.
Now, this is actually a reasonable response, among the few we’ve seen in this thread.
I agree that the distrust numbers associated w/MSM also includes Fox. Which brings us back to the OP: if you want to ridicule someone who gets their news from FOX, then you should probably ridicule those who get it from any of the mainstream news networks.
Maybe that’s whyFacebook and Twitter are displacing those sources as the go-to for the next generation
It was the first ‘blame the victim’ situation that came to mind, and a situation that most people are aware of. Which seemed to be the point I was responding too.
Shodan, read post 225. As you say, no fact or data, just keep repeating stuff over and over. (FOX lies! THey make stuff up! It’s all fantasy!) No actual fact and data…
And I did also early, but you continue to miss most points…
The key was and still is that the OP adds the condition that the dismissed viewer also thinks that the source is “fair and balanced” or pure as snow. Once you apply that condition it is indeed OK to also dismiss those that deny the many times that FOX news has lied to the American people.
Well, I think **Lobohan **is doing OK here and **Shodan **just continues to proudly miss the point, but do I have to assume that you are still insisting that FOX never makes stuff up?
I will have to bring the example I have the most experience with: “Climategate”
This environmentalist reporter explains it better:
The problem is not that the opponent is unable to understand. The problem is that we do.
'Twas ever thus. When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the facts and the law are against you, pound on the table. There’s an awful lot of table-pounding on the SDMB.
Intersperse that with a general chorus of “THAT DOESN’T COUNT AND IT NEVER HAPPENED AND IT DOESN’T COUNT!” repeated almost ad infinitum, and you have debate about liberal media bias on the SDMB.
Lots of other things as well, but the knees jerk pretty hard on that topic in particular.
I notice you do not address the fact that FOX News promotes things that are not true.
Where is your evidence that the so called MSM does this? Smugly dismissing factual claims isn’t a strategy to actually win arguments. It’s a strategy to pretend you have won them.
But then again, since the FOX News devotees are interested in comforting lies, this explains the tendency of the rightward folks on the Dope to play the pretending game.
I tend to dismiss the opinions of anyone who get any of their opinions from any television or radio programs. They are about one step above bumper stickers if you ask me. Why watch an hour television show when I an read the same information in 10 minutes? Television shows have to oversimplify to present their information in the time frame they are working in. The visuals rarely add anything and are often an attempt to bypass the rational parts of your brain and get at you at a more visceral level.