Is it possible to build a machine that generates more power than it uses?

Got nothing to say about my sites that you somehow overlooked the first time? BTW, the nearer you get to what Joe Newman had, the more likely it is you will come up with nothing. Newman was a pseudoscientist/con artist, and his machine never worked because his machine couldn’t work.

Throw your drawings in the trash and try something else-To follow Joe Newman is to follow fraud and failure.

There you are, I thought that comment would flush you out from cover … how you doing, still bringing the people chaos? …

It’s as the O’Jays said – give the people what they want. :smiley:

Yes: we know that they can’t work due to what we know about the natural laws.

And the way they Claim to work also does not fit natural laws.

With only the few differences:
Audio Systems do work. They can be shown to work.
Overunity devices don’t.

We have working theories on how Audio Systems work, that don’t violate natural laws.
We don’t have working theories on overunity devices that comply with natural laws.

While current Audio Systems are complicated, they were developed from simpler Systems. All Systems worked and followed natural laws.
There is no case of a simple overunity device that either works or has a valid theory.

Here’s an alternative: instead of trying to solve a puzzle nobody else has solved, why not turn to existing devices and improve them? Solar cells and wind energy are a booming, benefical field. We get energy “practically free” = the sun shines anyway whether we use the energy or not; and building small, but more efficient wind wheels to use on Special Locations is a wide-open field.

Both the theory behind solar and wind are established as valid, and the existing models do work; but improving Efficiency or developing niche applications is necessary and important.

In fact, consensus is listed by the 1969 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia as being one of three types of tyranny. The other two are: oligarchy and monarchy.

To make more from less implies, in these examples, that we can get energy from out of bar magnet if we rotate it equivalent to the rotating field of an AC generator in contradistinction to not normally getting anything from out of bar magnets ('cuz we don’t bother to rotate them).

Thus, this is not - cannot be - overunity.

Instead, we have mislabeled devices as being overunity lacking a more seasoned judgement of them.

Newman’s device is a good example.

I don’t respond to your Wikipedia link since - true, they use an authoritative source, but - it is not relevant since they were not testing Newman’s device. Instead, they were testing their own version of Newman’s device without his authorization yet calling it Newman’s. They honestly admit to this in a round about fashion on their website…

http://files.ncas.org/nbsreport/introduction.html

quoting myself…

“Concerning the Patent Office, the National Bureau of Standards admits on their website that: The National Bureau of Standards provided the resistive load which was connected in parallel with the coil. This is an example of current wanting to take the path of least resistance through a parallel load, bypassing the coil (of greater resistance than their test load) to a significant degree by cleverly self-shorting Newman’s primary coil” [for an entire duty cycle rather than the last 20%] “and prevent accumulation of HV. Had they performed their test as Newman advises in his book by wrapping a shorter length of secondary coil around the larger primary coil and placing the test load only inline with this secondary and isolated from the primary, then it’s entirely possible that the NBS would have produced more accurate results and replicate Newman’s. Then, the history of Newman and his motor would have read a bit differently then what transpired.”

Bravo. ‘Overunity’ gets a lot of publicity without being accurate.

Now, this really looks efficient utilizing a rotating magnetic field supplied by a mere 255 micro volts and transferred to the coil through its own inductance of 700 pico henries in order to use the least amount of power (of ~8 watts) to get the minimum amount of current on the battery pack, at V_bat_1, to invert into a negative direction and recharge the batteries as Newman’s device managed to do when it worked according to his design parameters…

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Energy_Machine_of_Joseph_Newman,_v11_-_tightly_coupled_with_neon_bulb.jpg

His permission makes it work? Now I’ve heard everything.

Oh great, I just rolled my eyeballs so hard I sprained 'em. Now I’m going to look funny for at least a week.

Don’t get lost in the shuffle.

They made their own device, called it Newman’s, and the Patent Office believed them.

This is not science since anyone can see that a test load connected in parallel with Newman’s coil, rather than isolated from the coil, is not the same device if the test load’s path has less resistance than the coil.

In other words, the test load is being tested, not the coil. Current will bypass the coil, by a significant percentage, based on the ratio of resistance between the coil’s resistance and the test load’s resistance.

LTSpice file…
https://archive.org/download/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewmanChapterSix/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewmanV11-TightlyCoupledWithNeonBulb.asc

YouTube video describing my building hints…
LTSpice Simulation of Joseph Newman’s Motor at a Faster RPM with a Neon Bulb

Oh, no you don’t: I cannot let that one pass without asking for a cite.

What exactly would it take for you to say that this Energy machine of Joe Newmans’s just doesn’t work? Is there such a point, or will you continue with this “It just needs refinement” stuff forever?

Perpetual motion!! fist pump

Current Divider Circuits
Chapter 6 - Divider Circuits And Kirchhoff’s Laws

for comparison…

Voltage Divider Circuits
Chapter 6 - Divider Circuits And Kirchhoff’s Laws

I’d have to say that AC generators don’t work so why on Earth should I expect that Newman’s energy device works as well?

Or that antennas don’t work so why should Newman’s?

Or that commutators are a fascinating piece of fraud?

So, long as you take this device to its service technician once in a while and replace its worn out batteries incapable of sustaining a charge no matter how much juice you recharge them with for comparison to this device’s recharging capabilities.

Refining my simulations misses the point: my presentation is in need of refinement. Refining my simulations are extra credit.

Do you really want to go the “…But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown” route?
Who said that antennas don’t work?
Who said AC generators don’t work?

If energy can’t be harnessed from out of a magnet by spinning that magnet to create a rotating magnetic field just as an AC generator does likewise, and…

If a voltage oriented coil can’t pickup a rotating magnetic field’s energy and simultaneously convert it into a gain in voltage over any gain in current by making it difficult for current’s movement to keep pace with that coil’s voltage gain by making that coil excessively large both in girth of its magnetic wire and the length of that wire, then…

What do we need Bozo for if we can laugh at suckers like me for believing that Newman is not a fraud?

“The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.” -Carl Sagan, Broca’s Brain (1979), p. 64

If energy can’t be harnessed from out of a magnet by spinning that magnet to create a rotating magnetic field just as an AC generator does likewise, and…

If a voltage oriented coil can’t pickup a rotating magnetic field’s energy and simultaneously convert it into a gain in voltage over any gain in current by making it difficult for current’s movement to keep pace with that coil’s voltage gain by making that coil excessively large both in girth of its magnetic wire and the length of that wire, then…

What’s next?