That’s what makes it so cunning, you see; the whole Boston Marathon is in on it! They’ve been faking it since 1897 for the express purpose of pretending to plant bombs this year so they could… do… something… or other.
Might I ask, is your friend given to frequent suspicions of conspiracy theory for tragedies or is there something in particular about this one that leads him to reject a rational, probable and overwhelmingly accepted account?
Same here. Seeing is believing, and many people will not be 100% convinced unless they see it or have first-hand confirmation from a trusted source.
I think some level of skepticism is good but if all the major media are in on it then we’re screwed anyway so might as well drink the kool-aid.
I was on the fence about this until I read that.
I get seriously suspicious when I DON’T hear an announcement about a disabled train.
Two points…
First has to do with the whole revamped concept of CT in the Internet era where now any and every version that differs from the official one is designated as “CT”. For many people, the amount of information and speculative potential of million monkeys typing away Shakespeare is so overwhelming that they are looking for soothing effect of official Government version. In the sea of various questions and loose ends there could be, in fact, reasonable and strong arguments for additional disclosure or investigation but one could never know due to the volume of off-the-wall, hilarious and outright schizophrenic ideas popping all over the place. While Soviets and Chinese too are really good at managing to mute and nip in the bud any other possibility than official version to reach citizenry there is a feeling that the opposite approach – having any idea pushed as hard and as valid as any – effects the same net results = only official version matters. I file the OP idea into this, more extreme speculation only cementing the official one.
Secondly, it is obvious so far that media is pursuing only official version and speculation. This is understandable because officials are the ones feeding all the news releases so, in the end, media mirrors only official version. However, various tidbits published do leave counter-intuitive taste after you correlate them. One example that I find quite interesting is that Misha, the guy who – by all 1st hand accounts – was instrumental in radicalizing the older brother (which is quite strange for a convert) came out “all clear” while somehow they found Tsarnaev distant relative back home who is some sort of “prominent Islamist” (whatever that means) which, to me, sounds a lot like a convenient misdirection while Misha and his “conversion” and unduly influence leaves a lot to be explained. Here you have Misha who was almost next door to him yet, somehow some distant relative now comes into picture only on the idea of being “distant relative” (as, I assume, there are more than one “prominent Islamist in a Muslim country).
Anyways, must go now, there’s American Gladiators marathon on TV …
People need to remember that “the government” couldn’t even cover up a BJ that only 2-3 people knew about.
Oh, Boston is a real place. I’ve been there.
At least that’s where everybody told me I was…
I dont think anyone is suggesting cover up.
The details is where some may disagree.
I have an acquaintance who follows Alex Jones. As a result my friend believes the Boston Bombing was a “false flag,” that actors were used, etc.
I have countered his position using logic and reason. But nothing I say matters. If I point to a particular piece of evidence that contradicts his claim, his automatic response is along the lines of, “Your ‘evidence’ is false, because it was spoon-fed to you by the government for your consumption, along with the media who is in bed with the government.”
So again, absolutely nothing I say matters. He believes everything bad that happens is a government conspiracy, and that’s that. His theories are not falsifiabe; no amount of evidence, regardless of how logical or rational it is, will make him believe his conspiracy theories are not true. So I save my breath.
+1 BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! 
This is one of the reasons why the big conspiracy theories don’t really make sense. Consider the moon landing hoax theory. How many people were involved in the Apollo program who would have been “in” on it had it actually been a hoax? Hundreds? Thousands? If there were thousands of people out there with evidence of a conspiracy that big, one of them, at some point, would be tempted enough by the very serious chance for publicity and publishing contracts that they would have blabbed.
The fact that there were no actors does not necessarily mean that the event was not a false flag.
dude, ive been to boston. I know people eho wrre born there. boston is real.
Sure, you’re probably one of them.
I too have been to Boston (years ago). I’m willing to stipulate that where I was was actually Boston - but I have no way of knowing if it is, in fact, still there.
I can understand the conspiracy theory from the idea that it might be a false flag attack, though the motives there seem unclear, but as far as completely faking it, that just doesn’t seem logistically possible. It’s not like the moon landing where, if we assume it was fake, they were able to control what everyone who wasn’t in on it could see by virtue of it only being available to the public on TV. In this sort of scenario, how could the possibly have had everyone in on it in both bombing locations, with so many runners, so many spectators, so many people covering it, all the emergency responders, and not to mention anyone else who wasn’t actually watching the marathon but was in the area and heard or saw things. There’s just no way to control all or even a significant number of those groups.
And, really, besides that I don’t see the motivation for a false flag at all, I see even less for faking it. At least for 9-11 conspiracies, there’s a suggested endgame of invading other countries, oil, all that, but if they were searching for a reason to go to war, it only made sense that killing a few people to do so would be acceptable. In this case, whatever their end game, it’s just WAY WAY easier to set off real bombs and figure that a handful of lives would be worth whatever they’d think they’d be getting.
But really, what endgame would be worth putting on such a massive and complex conspiracy, perhaps even more complex than the supposed conspiracies of 9-11 given the bombs were in plain site of cameras, but the much easier way of just setting bombs and killing a few people wouldn’t be worth it? It really seems bizarre to think our government is both malicious enough to set up a false flag attack to manipulate public opinion to allow them to do something they otherwise wouldn’t, but merciful enough to do so in such a way as to make it needlessly complex to the point that it would almost certainly not work just to save a few lives.
Seriously though, regardless of what method the government or some other group might have used to put on the bombings, real or faked, what exactly is the proposed end game in the official story, bombing a marathon and blaming it on a couple young Chechnyan kids? I haven’t seen any sort of things saying “We need to do X because of Boston.” Maybe part of their conspiracy is that it partially backfired and maybe some other group was supposed to be blamed?
A government which could plan and execute a conspiracy of this sort is one that can disappear a guy who tries to expose them on Facebook. Ask your friend if he’s posting from a FEMA internment camp.
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Thank God I don’t believe in the secret rulers of the world. Imagine what the secret rulers of the world might do to me if I did!
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fuck. coulda been rhode island mocked up to look like the fictional boston, now that I think about it.
Not necessarily.
Fake an attack. The people who know about the “attack” and saw footage vastly outnumber the people who were there and would have seen it if it had happened, and moreso the people whose negative evidence can’t be explained away by fudging the time or the place – inconsistencies of a few minutes/meters one way or the other are easy enough to cast as humanly imperfect memory or perception. The few people left who can definitively say it didn’t happen (and who don’t start “remembering” seeing it due to everyone else’s insistence that it did happen, they saw it on television) are shouted down with, primarily, emotional appeals along the lines of how disrespectful it is to the victims, with a side of how only crazy people claim it was a big conspiracy.
I don’t think it actually was faked, I should point out … though on reflection, I’m not sure how I’d know. The high ratio of people injured to people killed means there are a lot of survivors telling their stories, though, and they’re way more convincing than witnesses are.
I was there last week. Maybe it’s gone right now, but it definitely was real a week ago.
We can’t even make it look like an island, much less Boston.
Exactly. It’s the same logical disconnect as all the dozens of blogs and loony sites saying “Spread the word - THEY are trying to censor us - THEY don’t want you to know!!!” All on sites that are freely allowed to operate and remain accessible to anyone. If THEY are trying to quah the rumours, THEY are not doing a terribly good job, now, are THEY?
Agreed (not that I think it was), but that’s not what the OP was asking. There is no way that the actual bombs and victims could have been faked, as the extreme lunatic fringe are claiming.