Well if the implication is supposed to be your hand waving posts wrong-footed me, I was off on vac with the family, mate, and had better things to do than rebut posts with more than a faint odour of tired old racism.
Certainly, Ghana, Cote d’Ivoire, Senegal seem to be good examples, even though CdI is still on the ropes with the semi-civil war. Mozambique is pulling up well beyond the dead-cat bounce after civil war, although it has a long way to come.
One can plot GDP growth, the WB Doing Business
Why? so I can engage in the same sort of whanking you have? The usual tired old racist lower class expat rant?
Actually Rwanda on the economic side has done not badly. Uganda bit of a mixed bag.
Funny list you came up with. Somewhat revealing of your prejudices.
your cherry picking of what I would agree ex Uganda and Rwanda, of the amongst the worst performers says quite a lot. Doing well? Well, that I think is judged on facts.
Evidently. Sorry it hurts your feelings so.
My “visits”?
My your feelings really must have been hurt. Sorry if the truth touches home.
As evidenced by this fairly incoherent response to one of our friends presenting actual date, pity hate and prejudice have such
I’m afraid this doesn’t even make the least bit of sense. Queer that bringing data to the table is considered a basis of insult… but I guess in some quarters.
A blanket assertion based on…?
Of course, overall with GDP growth there are a couple of things to keep in mind:
(i) Income distribution and (ii) GDP per capita. Most of Africa is running a race against demography, which is basically immiserating demographic growth.
Nevertheless, the past decade’s sustained average growth at the very least arrested the slide in living standards and is a clear improvement over flatline to negative economic growth,
There’s the other scenario of economic non-growth, not growing the 5% but rather shrinking the economy 1% and registering 5% population growth means ever deeper poverty. Sustained GDP growth at 5% real slowly moves things forward.
The old “the Data fucked me argument so I pretend its non-existent.”
There is much to be desired in the data reporting, but modern statistical analysis, including FDI and trade flows registered by other countries allows gross cheating to be caught and excluded. Even in the case of China one can suss out data issues.
So merely hand waving about corruption is pretty pitiful.
Yeah, there is corruption, but pretending every bit of GDP data is faked is absurd and illiterate.
Much of SSA, yes, but .
Quite a rant. Not a factual argument, but a wonderful rant for say IMHO or the BBQPit.
So it was a bar conversation.
As I observed, a sensationalised, no doubt beer drenched version of the actual facts.
There are of course actual accounts of the corruption registered on several recent projects - although not quite as colourful as your sensationalised bar-rendition, insofar as staged dibursements and tendering processes make that rather more difficult.
Your version to data and substantiated fact has been already noted, never mind your queer reference to “hidden agendas” on wiki (although it is redolent of that certain kind of lower class expat labourer one often hear’s in certain kinds of hotel bars) that is but evidently my standards for “virtually a dirt road” and yours are different.
Well, you might add that the fine habit of loading up lorries to over twice their rated load, and with no sense of centre of gravity.
Rather lends to all kinds of awful accidents, on both pitted roads and even well maintained ones.
Of course, this is one more aspect of bad governance, as there are rules, but only applied on the basis of what gets the police a nice commission in cash. That and the fact so much transport is in the hands of semi-criminal operations.
Well, I was last in Kenya this past May. I’m afraid my experience doesn’t match your rendition of your experience, although perhaps different places.
I did not say I was unaware of anything, I asked you to be specific about which [specific** project, as I rather thought I recognized a beer fuelled exaggeration (spun with a wee pit of red-neck expat racism in the telling) of actual events. At no point have I claimed corruption does not exist, that bad Governance is not a problem, nor that business challenges are not profound in Africa. I simply object to adding onto this racism fuelled exaggeration.
Well, again, I invite you to be specific about which of the projects WB has in transport in the Mombasa transport region and substantiate your particular rendition, was given what I know each have suffered from corruption, but none of the facts quite match your rendition.
As you’ve merely engaged in a lot of shouted assertion, I find this line ironic.
