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Like former Joint Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley:
Axios: “Trump’s top general calls former president ‘fascist’ and ‘dangerous’ threat”
And both of them are, albeit in different ways. Frankly, DeSantis is even more of a textbook [burning] Mussolini-style fascist than Trump, who is just a grievance-filled entitled asshole for whom fascism is just a convenient modus operandi to attract other fascist-minded people, many of whom are currently in charge of the GOP.
Neville Chamberlin’s infamous appeasement was over German annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia. Poland had its own rather complex history of appeasement with the Third Reich, i.e. the German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact which resulted in Poland marginalizing itself and then being summarily divided between Germany and the Soviet Union. Which, frankly, is an even better object lesson about appeasement and capitulation with an enemy you know means to do you harm.
Meaning to ‘wake up to’ the marginalization, systemic oppression, and often outright violence done to Black people and communities. Black Americans are quite familiar with the real meaning of ‘fascism’ because as a group they have experienced fascist-like repression, objectification, and gaslighting for generations. It is a perfectly astute term to describe awareness of those conditions which has unfortunately become hijacked, first by conservatives and then what subsumed the Tea Party movement to become today’s far-right Republican party to describe, well, basically anything they don’t like, which is essentially everything that isn’t malignant jingoism and bullying marginalized people for fun and profit.
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In their mouths, nothing but a snarl word.
To be honest, I’m not even sure what ‘woke’ means?
Seems to have been one of those repurposing of English words which happen from time to time (like ‘gay’), but in this case, is there any concensus?
The same seems to be happening with the word ‘brat’.
Here’s a starting point:
Yes, but it led to the invasion of Poland as Hitler thought Chamberlin would just rool over again.
I bet the big shamer in chief (Jesus) would had an issue with what you say in context. In context, a lot of what the right wing calls “woke” are things that they do not like; yes, they nowadays hate what Jesus said too.
Moore openly criticized Donald Trump, whom many evangelical Christians embraced. Moore also criticized the Southern Baptist Convention’s response to a sexual abuse crisis and increasing tolerance for white nationalism in the community.
Now he thinks his religion is in crisis.
Moore told NPR in an interview released Tuesday that multiple pastors had told him they would quote the Sermon on the Mount, specifically the part that says to “turn the other cheek,” when preaching. Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”
“What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’” Moore said. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
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If you read Gangsters of Capitalism, it seems that Theodore Roosevelt was one of the main architects of setting up an American empire.
I don’t disagree with the main assertion, however, that lefties are quick to impose punishments that don’t fit the crime.
Do tell us who “lefties” have been punishing so unjustly.
I doubt the specific issues listed in the OP made much difference. But I do think the attitudes underlying them were relevant in the election: over the last few decades there has been a gradual reversal from the left as counter-cultural and taboo-breaking, to becoming moralists ready to lecture and penalise others for their attitudes and behaviour. That’s unattractive and off-putting to the majority who don’t share this particular strain of progressivism.
Then there’s the question of identity politics. Right-wingers like to blame illegal immigrants (who can’t vote), LGBT people and black people (relatively small minorities) for problems. Left-wing identity politics casts white men as the bad guys, frequently extending to all white people and/or all men, and the former group makes up over 1/3 of the electorate while the latter groups make up over 2/3. One of these strategies is more demographically advantageous than the other.
It is also off-putting if politicians appear more focused on niche issues affecting minorities than widely relevant ones like the economy. To some extent this is down to reporting and where voters get their information, but everyone should do what they can to avoid this appearance.
Vibes are probably a lot more important than detailed policies here: most people who are well informed on politics already have strong opinions and aren’t swing voters.
Sorry.
Agree
I learned about the term from a Latinx woman who preferred its use (and I call her Latinx because that’s the terms she prefers). Broad-brushing it to say that no sane person imagines someone would prefer the pronounceable term “Lah-tin-X” is misunderstanding the issue, and glossing over the reasons why some folks adopted it.
Which is the real problem with woke: it’s a slur term predicated on misunderstanding (intentionally or otherwise) the actions that people on the left take. There’s no way for leftists to tone down the slurs used against us.
Yes, this. Whatever the term’s origin or original meaning, at this point it’s in practice a right wing snarl word with no deeper meaning than “I hate you”. And the Left has no mind control powers to determine what the Right says.
So “toning down the wokeness” won’t change a thing on that front, because the Left isn’t the driving force behind the accusations in the first place.
That said, there are definitely some leftist things that I disagree with. I’d put them into three big categories:
Is it time for noobs to be humble, for ideologues to read The Crooked Timber of Humanity, and for control freaks to shut the fuck up? Absolutely. But in no way is that confined to the left.
Edit: there is a fourth category, which is thoughtful, principled disagreement. Those are the cases where I am much less confident that the person is wrong and that I am right. I am mostly talking about people who take positions that strike me as egregiously stupid.
One form of this I’ve noticed on the Left is a tendency to fixate on what I’ve heard called “Devil Theories”. A “Devil Theory” is picking something and trying to blame everything wrong on the world on that one thing, building a whole elaborate ideological system that blames all the woes of the world on it. Some pick “the patriarchy”, some “capitalism”, some “hierarchy”, some pick other things.
Generally they are actually right to blame some problems on their Devil, but their version of leftism starts becoming detached from reality when it starts trying to blame their devil for things that aren’t actually its fault, or demonizing something harmless because the “Devil” somehow favors it. And of course it inherently means neglecting all the other sources of problems besides the chosen “Devil”. Also it lends itself to the mindset of “get rid of this one Great Evil and all the problems of the world are solved forever”, which is probably a major reason it’s attractive in the first place. Both because it promises a simple solution, and kills all criticism of their favored utopia since according to them their utopia cannot possibly have any problems without the “Devil” to create them.
Right now the version I see most often of this is against capitalism. Lots of blaming literally everything wrong on “end stage capitalism” (including issues that existed long before capitalism), proposing some non-capitalist utopia, and deflecting all criticism of it with “without capitalism that won’t happen”.
So we just need to get rid of Devil Theory thinking!
Hahaha! That’s well done.