I know this has the beginnings of a net-myth but I need to know. I read some where ( and no I don’t remember where) that During the early/mid part of the 1800s that a Canadian army successfully invades the United States and burn the capital to the ground. Is there any truth to this? Is it taught in American history or Canadian history classes? and What was the battle called?
Yes it did happen. It was called the battle of In your dreams, eh? It is not taught in American history, because it is a rather sore spot. It is taught in Canadian history because they are dillusional.
Let’s see, in the mid-1800s we were involved in a minor situation known as The Civil War. So maybe we did not notice a small group of people saying eh? crossing the borders and joining in on the fun.
Any furter questions? eh?
The British Army burned the White House in the War Of 1812. There may have been Canadians on their side, but I wouldn’t say it was a Canadian attack. Was Canada even a country during the War Of 1812? Do they actually teach that in Canada? That’s like saying France won the American Revolution just because they were on our side.
There was also another “invasion” from Canada during the Civil War. In 1864, a small bunch of Confederates went to Canada and tried to make it a two-front war. The band got as far as St. Albans, Vermont. They blew up a few buildings, robbed the bank, and made it back up to Canada before soldiers showed up.
On a side note, I’d like to commend our border guards for defending our northern frontier so well. We hear all about illegal aliens from the south, but nothing about Canadians sneaking in.
Seeing that the Canadian border is over twice as large (more areas to cover), congrats on a job well done!
“It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument” - William McAdoo
That’s right; in 1812 a British force sailed up the Potomac and set fire to the White House (and this is not a “net-myth”; it’s in history books and kids used to hear all about it in school; Dolly Madison etc.). This was done in direct retaliation for the American raid on Toronto at the beginning of the War of 1812 … they may have been stationed in Canada, which was then very much a part of the British Empire.
1837: small uprisings in Canada, mostly little-man versus big-banker kind of thing; militia squashes activists, their ringleader and associates flees to Buffalo, NY and then to Navy Island off Buffalo … then a group of commando types crosses Niagra from Canada and burns/sinks the ship Caroline which was going to take them supplies and arms. Right after that a Canadian ship got burned in US waters, and a group of commando types cross Niagra from America (dressed as Indians) and loot and burn a small fort in Canada.
(Meanwhile, the “Hunter’s Lodges” had been organized along the border from Vermont to Michigan. These were sort of a cross between the Masons and the IRA: Irish secret societies who wanted to take Canada away from the hated British and settle it as a sort of “New Ireland”. A very secretive movement that never really went anywhere, estimates of their number go from 15,000 to 200,000. But they may have been responsible for some minor terrorist incidents.)
There was also a dispute as to where the border was between Maine and New Brunswick. As 1838 rolled around the St. Lawrence froze, hindering the movement of British troops. Their road went right through that region. Some Canadian lumberjacks also made forays into Maine’s Aroostook Valley and started cutting down trees. US lumberjacks started flooding the area, Maine and New Brunswick mobilized their militias and started drilling for combat, Nova Scotia issued war bonds and the US Congress approved $10 million and 5000 troops for hostile activity in Northern Maine.
Shortly thereafter Daniel Webster and Lord Ashburton had a summit which worked out all of the issues from the past year (the “Webster-Ashburton Treaty”). It clearly delineated the border from the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the Rocky Mountains. The UK got its overland road south of the St. Lawrence. The US kept its territory north of Lake Champlain. The US also agreed to pay compensation to any “victims” of the hostilities.
The St. Alban’s raid was in 1863, the raiders were from Kentucky. Eventually they did get tried in Canada (at issue was - were they soldiers or just bandits? Extradition to the US depended on that question). The Canadian courts ended up setting the raiders free. Only $50,000 of the missing $250,000 was ever recovered; Canada gave that money back to the bank in Vermont.
For what it’s worth, I once read an article by a historian who had been searching military archives and found that both the United States and Canada had contingency plans for invading the other as recently as the 1920’s.
Re invasion contingency plans: Pah. You just try it. You may have the nukes, but we have the cold fronts. Picture Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Honolulu… under two meters of snow! Muhahaha!!!
Matt: I might goad you into it just for fun. All of those stuck-up Californians, Floridians, etc., could use a good spanking by Old Man Winter.
“I had a feeling that in Hell there would be mushrooms.” -The Secret of Monkey Island
Also in the war of 1812 the British captured Detroit and lost a naval battle on Lake Champlain. Both campaigns originating in Canada.
Don’t take life so serious. It ain’t nohow permanent
Have you all forgotten the horrendous War of Mr. Kingâ€™s Eyebrow in the winter of 1925-26?
In November of 1925, Canadian Prime Minister W.L. Mackenzie King, paid a state visit to Washington DC. He was greeted warmly, but warily, by President Calvin Coolidge. As a native of Vermont, Coolidge knew the wily ways of the insidious Canadians. It seems that the Canadian Navy wanted a lease agreement that would give them access to a coveted warm water port. Wanting to keep the peace, Coolidge obliged them with an unused Coast Guard station in Rhode Island. This didnâ€™t satisfy King. The Canadians wanted a base in Galveston, TX. Coolidge saw through this plot to link up with Canadaâ€™s allies in Mexico and bisect the grand old republic, and courteously denied the request. Outraged, King threatened to but an import embargo on maple syrup. Coolidge (a man who didnâ€™t suffer bullies, gladly) grabbed the offensive PM by one of his enormous eyebrows and escorted the Canadian out of the White House.
Fuming, King rushed back to Ottawa, and in a secret session of Parliment, secured a declaration of war against the United States. By December 7, 1925, tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers, calvarymen, Mounties, and inducted hockey players were positioned on the Maine border, waiting for the signal to pounce on their unsuspecting, peace-loving neighbors to the south. With the promise of â€œChristmas in Bostonâ€ ringing in their ears the northern hoard descended on the United States.
The resulting atrocities were legion. Maple sap collectors were rounded up and put into concentration camps. Thousands of New Hampshire children were crippled by blows to the kneecaps with hockey sticks. Butchers were forced to cut their bacon the wrong way.
Although caught totally by surprise, Washington DC was quick to respond. Gen. Blackjack Pershing returned to the battlefield from retirement, and with a force of one company of the Connecticut National Guard and two dozen Boston police officers drove the Canadians back over the border in less than a month.
Iâ€™m surprised no one else has read about this!
I would have read about it, but those apostrophes of yours really confused me.
“Then you learn the lesson,
That it’s tough to be so cool …”
(Uh, you were kidding, weren’t you?)
David Barry said something along the lines of, “We’ll stop the acid rain when you stop the arctic air masses!”
There was also some theory about how nobody in the US likes the low-flush toilets, and how there was some kind of underground movement where Canadians would supply their more unfortunate American friends with toilets that flush properly.
Papabear, that was hilarious
Rock and roll, Papa, that was inspired…By the way, the US govt would be nuts if it did not have a plan to attack Canada just in case, while the Canadian govt would be just as insane if it did not have some kind of plan to fight a war against the USA. You never know what’s gonna happen. You have to be prepared. We all know that the bad s### is never going to come down between us, but the job of our respective militaries’ General Staffs is to be ready no matter what.
On the subject of US & Canada, here’s what I always wondered. I’ve never lived too near the border, but I know there are a few towns that actually are split, part in CA and part in US. I seem to even remember reading about some bloke’s house who’s bedroom was in the US and kitchen was in Canada, or something along those lines.
Given how long the US & Canada have had a close relationship, and given the extent we cooperate on things (like phone numbering plans and strategic defense and so on), there must be people living near the border who live in one country and hold jobs in the other, or just want to go shopping over there, and so on.
Since it’s at least a minor pain for the average person to cross the border, is there some sort of provision possible for people in those situations where they can get something like a pass that let’s them easily go back and forth without waiting in customs lines and so on?
A related question I used to have was about boats: if you are a boater on, say, the great lakes, and you leave a port in the US and arrive at a port in Canada or vice versa, what happens with customs? Unlike the roads, there’s no customs line. I asked a boater friend and he said this: you have to find a customs center within a certain amount of time (1 day maybe?) and declare yourself, but it was sort of an honor system. He didn’t know if it worked the same way for oceanic ports.
Patricinus in Calgary: I think the war is stii going on, in the hockey stadiums.
Female singers from Canada have been invading the USA in the 1990’s: Celine Dione, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette, Sarah MacLachlin.
We fight back on the USA side with Sheryl Crow, Mariah Carey, Britney Spears…Jewel is from Alaska, so I don’t which side she is on.
Cheese Head said:
[ul]We fight back on the USA side with Sheryl Crow, Mariah Carey, Britney Spears…Jewel is from Alaska, so I don’t which side she is on. [/ul]
Jewel is our second front against Canada!
What about all the Canadian actors!? William Shatner, Michael J. Fox, Mike Myers: they’re the advance spy unit.
Why do you think 90% of Canadians are within 100 miles of the border? Because it’s warmer? No, they’re bred for temperatures down to -150 degrees F. They’re gonna wait for Y2K to cripple our defenses, then attack! Oh, sure, they have computers; they just don’t use them!
Start boning up on your singing of “O Canada”.
The great joke of the Webster-Ashburton treaty wasn’t discovered until the 1960’s, when secret archives revealed that, just before the negotiations started, each side found what it thought was certain proof that the other side had been right all along.
Tempers were too hot for capitulation, but both sides, afraid of what the other might come up with, put on their best behavior. As a result, each nation came away with more respect for the other’s character, laying the foundation of the Anglo-American alliance that exists to this day.
John W. Kennedy
“Compact is becoming contract; man only earns and pays.”
– Charles Williams