erm rubleyour targets are out of date … Most targets these days are full on grocery stores these days ours has been for 5 years … they got rid of whole sections that didn’t sell much to put the groceries in …
Feeding your kid in the store seems okay to me, but a PB&J isn’t a very good choice. It’s not about the allergy issue, it’s just not really convenient or portable enough. If your kid makes a mess, you have to clean it up, so giving them a potentially messy snack is creating more work for yourself, isn’t it? Like, sure the kid might make a mess regardless of what you give them, but a little common sense can minimize the severity of the inevitable mess.
Bringing allergies into it just distracts. The average person would probably agree a PB&J is a bad store snack if that were all there was to it, but you bring up peanut allergies and suddenly everyone balks, offended by the mere notion that they would be denied the right of feeding their kid a PB&J in any damn location they want.
I’m more offended by trying to be denied the eating of a peanut product in a store that openly sells peanuts and peanut-containing items.
Reminds me of when I was on a hair care board and someone suggested using peanut oil to facilitate hair growth. Then someone else chimed in and whined “but what about MY allergies? You’re a hazard to me if you step out in public with peanut product on your person, I might come into contact with you and die!”
Look, if you or your child have an allergy so sensitive that merely standing in the same room as someone who has recently consumed peanuts will kill you, chances are you probably can’t step outside your house without being in a literal bubble. In that instance, it’s not the general public’s job to eleminate any and all traces of nuts in their lives to make you feel comfortable. The onus is on you to protect yourself accordingly. I really do think some people with allergies use them as an excuse to get the special snowflake treatment.
My experience working in a grocery store type setting is that the parents won’t be bothered to clean up after the kid, it makes more work for the store employees who will have to do the clean up.
Crackers with peanut butter is a standard kid and adult snack.
We buy a 40 count box of Lance cheese peanut butter crackers every month. I got a pack on my desk right now.
I guess that makes me a lethal person?
Don’t worry I won’t offer them to any strange kids.
But if being in the same room is lethal? Lifes hard.
Every Target I’ve been in has a snack bar that sells food for people to eat, and getting a bag of popcorn to graze on while you shop is fairly normal. I doubt that Target’s management is going to renovate out a standard section of the store just to appease one person. And if you really don’t expect people to eat food in a store that has a snack bar, your expectations are just plain silly.
That’s reasonable to feel that way, though I wouldn’t agree that they’re the same thing. The peanut products in stores are inside of containers, which basically eliminates the risk of cross-contamination. Eating peanuts or peanut butter in a store certainly carries a greater risk… it’s just that the risk is still negligible at best. Practically no one has an allergy that sensitive. Just don’t lick the shopping carts, and don’t let your toddler hock peanut butter loogies at random passersby, and everyone will be fine.
can you provide statistically valid data than people subjected to 5 seconds of second hand smoke experience health problems?
big mama legistration has nothing to do with actual risks or freedom of association (if you don’t want to be around smokers, don’t go there!)
That one’s particularly egregious, as peanut oil is one of those things that tends not to cause problems for people with allergies.
I agree with the idea that this is too restrictive. I just don’t agree when people act like the person should be punished for having the allergies. Reasonable accommodations are still acceptable: it is effectively a disability.
But I would argue that a better way to handle the situation would be there to be special no-peanut carts for the few people who need them, and keep the peanut stuff in a part of the store that’s not around everything else–at least, the bare peanuts.
I don’t think the peanut butter containers would have enough. I know that handling sealed containers and then eating without washing their hands is usually okay for people with Celiac’s, and that stuff is crazy sensitive. Surely if you don’t handle it, you’d be fine. Just keep the loose peanuts separate.
It’s not just 5 seconds when it’s everywhere you go, as it was previously. No one wanted to be that store which alienated smokers, by banning it themselves, so there were always smoking sections, and it’s impractical to keep them actually cut off.
By making everyone stop, no one company loses customers. It made more sense to get laws passed than to try and do it on the free market.
Actually that is the one I mean. I like to think of it as WalMart for ridge-runners like me. 
:: sigh ::
Even after reading through this whole thread, you still aren’t differentiating between lethal and non-lethal peanut allergies.
If you consider an open sack of peanuts that you can scoop up and put into a plastic bag “inside of containers”, then I guess you are right.
They taste better that way.
For those of you who are just offended overall by the sight of people walking around eating - I’m afraid it’s just normal here. Most stores that sell food have sample stations set upon a regular basis. If you go to the deli with a child in your cart you’ll be handed a slice of something for them - likewise cookies at the bakery. At the grocery store there’s a little stand with apples and bananas free to kids.
It’s everywhere.
I had no idea this was even a thing.
OTOH, I do have to weigh the probability of anyone in the general vicinity being allergic to particulate nicotine vs. the risk of my brutally mangling the closest living thing should I not get my fix soon. I try to be considerate. I do move away, go outside, maintain distance (even with other smokers, because lord knows *their *shit stinks), always try and ask the people around if they mind and so on. I really do try to accommodate y’all health-loving freaks. But you know, meet me halfway. Or quarterway. Or at any sort of way whatsoever because brother/sister, “just say no” or “can’t you just wait till you’re home ?” is only going to cut it for so long and you will only know where the breaking point was when I’ve ripped a bleeding mouthful off your jugular. And then we’ll both be sorry.
But really though, with less style and more sincerity, I’m not even bothered by polite requests to do X ; or even mildly impolite ones. You want me to move, I’ll move, fuck it, it’s generally less effort than dealing with whatever your shit is anyway.
No. What I do have a motherfucking problem with is the guys and gals who’ll confidently walk the 100 feet towards me - who’d gone aaaaaall the way to the farthest end of the open-air train station ; far away from anyone and who’d been taking extra care to blow smoke up and into the wind on top of that - to passive-aggressive cough and inform me that I need to put it away right just this minute because it’s forbidden to smoke here and anyway will I think of their precious lungs or children. The latter of which are likely busy licking a subway rat while they’re doing the power tripping ego thing on me anyway, but that’s besides the main point.
To whit : fuck. That.
Because at that point (and quite a few points before that if I’m being honest, including the one cited in the OP IMO) it ceases to be about allergies or health impacts or even foul smells and it becomes all about being a bossy, bitchy, self-righteous cunt. It’s about having a showdown that’ll spoil both our days, and that of everyone around too because repeated palmfaces hurt. Their self-loathing & control issues are between them and their dominatrix ; and if they think for one second that I’ll enable them or wispekt the self-appointed offended authoritah then I’m afraid they’ve got another thing coming. And smoke-induced cancer of the pinky, insh’Allah. Which would only be fair when that lot tends to peg my blood pressure meter at “Kärcher and rising”.
That’s your problem. They will never meet you partway, and expecting any sort of compromise will only lead you to frustration. This is exactly why I only have one response to anyone who tries to give me shit over smoking, and that response is “fuck off.”
So, in other words, basically, you try to respect people’s space as a smoker (realizing that there are some who are annoyed/allergic/what have you), and they won’t let you respect it (also, not even 1000 feet away from them is good enough); basically, they’re against smoking anywhere. Is that what you’re saying?