You guys get the idea, though. I reserve the right to forbid an argument if it’s been refuted and, in my opinion, it’s being brought up again solely to distract debate from the main topic or to troll.
I dont know why it is perfectly Ok within the rules to lie your ass off, but if you even imply that poster is doing so- you get a warning.
I think the Op here has a point.
Jonathan is overly sensitive on this, but does nothing to stop the lying in the first place.
My wife married her dishwasher…
You think it’s “perfectly OK within the rules”, and you’re complaining that the mods don’t stop it?
He’s wondering *why *it’s okay within the rules.
I see what you did there:)
Interesting choice of topic from this poster. Hey OP, were you being entirely truthful when you stated the following the other day?
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21306246&postcount=64
Correct (first sentence). And he’s complaining about the mods not enforcing something that he thinks isn’t against the rules (last sentence).
First of all, he’s wrong about lying being OK, as was already explained. But the idea that the mods have the time, or the ability, to be the “Liar Police” is ridiculous. Besides, we have two perfectly fine options here: Demonstrate that the poster is wrong (and let readers decide if the poster is lying or not). Go to the Pit and call the poster a liar.
Keep in mind that it’s a judgment call as to whether a person is lying or simply mistaken. I’m sure that, at one time or another, we’ve all ardently believed something that turned out to be incorrect.
Cite? That has not been my experience.
Not asking that. But lying should count as being a jerk, in my opinion. It is wrong for the mods to punish someone who says “liar” while giving the lie itself a free pass. The mods don’t have to police it if the lie has been demonstrated clearly.
Trading insults in the pit is a fools game.
You let me know when that happens and I’ll take a look. In my experience, the vast majority of times a person thinks another is lying, they are wrong.
Yeah, judging by the many MANY reports we get - Bone, Tom and I - a great many people confuse ‘disagrees with me’ with ‘lying’.
And I think it would be a vast mistake for the moderation staff to try to police actual lying outside of truly egregious cases. You could time the accusations of political bias with a stopwatch that tracks microseconds. Possibly nanoseconds.
No, I said “I dont know why it is perfectly Ok within the rules to lie your ass off,…”. Apparently it currently is, but I dont think it shoudl be.
Mind you there is a difference between opinions and facts. You cant really lie about a opinion.
Right. At least, when a poster lies his ass off, and someone points that out, that poster shouldnt be warned. Ok, maybe a Note, sure, like “We realize that posterX may have been untrue, but we still have rules against calling people a liar”. As it is, there is no culpability for lying, and strong and swift punishments by Jonathan when there is even a hint of someone calling out the liar. The dichotomy there implies that it is perfectly Ok to lie, but banhammer for calling out that liar.
In the case where you warned me, that poster had stated three times I hadnt provided any cites, but my cites were there for everyone to see. That is clear and obvious lying and it is easy to check. That’s not a matter of opinion- either I had posted a cite or I hadn’t. And of course knowing full well I had posted cites, but still stating no less than three times that I hadn’t- that is harassment. However, even tho I only implied he was lying and it was dead obvious that he had lied- I got a (belated) warning and he not even a note. That is a truly egregious case.
Mind you, as I said- I dont expect you guys to make a big deal of policing lies. But, when there is a truly egregious case- the person who says “Hmm, that appears like a fib there.” shouldnt be warned.
You guys are pretty good at catching trolls, so we arent supposed to call out trolls, just report them- fine. But I don’t know why we can’t call out the occasional truly egregious case of flat out lying.
I didn’t say you thought it should be. I said you thought it is. Is. That’s the word I used, not “should be”.
Now, I have no idea of what meaningless pedantic point you are trying to make.
If there is one thing I hate more than trying to buy condoms for my 14" penis, it is people who lie on the internet.