An undercover cop can legally look you straight in the face and say “I am not a police officer. I swear to this, so help me God.” Then he can bust you, book you, and you will not be able to use his statement as a defense. Courts have ruled over and over that an undercover cop denying his connection with law enforcement is no grounds at all for the entrapment defense.
For a defense of entrapment to be valid, the accused must show that the law enforcement officers actually induced the accused to perform the behavior and the accused was not otherwise previously intending the illegal act. Not intending to do the illegal act if a cop is watching is not the same thing.
I wonder how often Agency A has arrested an agent of Agency B, when Agency A and Agency B didn’t let each other know that Agency A was running a “sell” sting while Agency B was running a “buy” sting. I know that communication is supposed to go on…
“Your honor this question has been asked and answered time and again,Mr Dogface is clearly badgering the witness,at this junctureI will ask the court to…”
Well, I pretty anti-cop so take this with some salt, but then again there is the assumption that I personally hold that not only are cops just as likely to be dishonest as the average citizen they might even be a tad moreso on average.
For example, the Denver cops who assigned to busting prostitution at local XXX peep show type shops, were actually receiving the…ahem…oral pleasure via the glory holes before then arresting the prostitutes rather than paying.
Now whichever side of the prostituion legalize it or not arguement you come down upon (I’m for it in case you couldnt guess, never having actually been a customer it just seems logical) its got to be some kind of crime to accept a service (illegal or otherwise) and not pay for it. Not to mention how uncool it would be to then arrest the poor girl.
Some women believed that asking “Are you a cop?” would protect them against arrest. This isn’t true, however; a cop can lie. Some women insisted that I touch them or show them my penis. They told me that the cops never do those things. I don’t know if there is a legal reason why the cops wouldn’t touch them, but it seemed to be their best protection against soliciting a cop.
if anybody read that thread…this guy knows everything
well if you notice that in the movies most of the time when
someone is asked if they are a COP they say no , or just
says nothing
but this is the skinny.
we know what FBI stand for & NSA, DEA, Private DICK, and so on
BUT, what does COP stand for =
Constable On Patrol
unless it’s a “C.O.P.” then they don’t have to say anything.
a COP is a COP & all the rest is just that, the rest do not
have to say anything because the rules governing this issue
do not apply to anyone outside of the COPs, yes even a
Sherif, yes very disturbing but, thats the facts.
PS my stepdad is a C.O.P and they don’t mind being called
a COP cause thats exactally what they are.
Some advice, though: lurk for a loooong time before posting, especially before posting in GQ. This will allow you to become familiar with how things work.
Read the thread: the OP has been answered many times over. “I know something about this too!” posts belong more in IMHO or CS.
Your posts will carry more weight if you use proper grammar.
pilot141 hoping he hasn’t just been suckered by a drive-by…
To Mr. schwigiddy1 (yes, welcome to the Boards)… “Cop” is short for “copper”, which is itself a term that came into being due to the fact that the men in question, supposedly, had copper badges or something.
Anyway… a question about the “touch my vagina” thing…
Personal issues aside - such as the potential problems that may arise with, say, a wife, if a cop were to cop a feel (no pun intended) - is there anything illegal about a cop following through with such a request from a prostitute that they were planning on taking down? I mean, really… if a woman came up to me and told me, “Touch my vagina”, and I did, how could that be sexually inappropriate? She invited me, I agreed, it was a consensual contact.
Am I to understand that the “no touching the vagina” thing is just a strongly-worded recommendation by police offices, or is it actually a strictly adhered-to rule?
In the “Law & Order” video clip on that page it also confirmed that.
I think it is good that movies usually deceive people (perhaps unintentionally) about this… I mean it can make some law-breakers ask the question and then make them appear to be very suspicious. I think it is better to let a lot of lawbreakers continue to get that misinformation from movies - rather than help them avoid detection by having the movies teach them the truth (like that “Law & Order” show). In that link it said how police catch a lot of prostitutes by that law. I think prostitution should be legal though… in fact even brothels are legal in Queensland, Australia (where I live)… but that doesn’t mean that I think illegal prostitutes should be better informed about how to avoid detection.
Look, the etymology of ‘cop’ has no bearing on this issue. The law treats sheriffs, deputy sheriffs, city cops, county cops, and state cops in precisely the same way. It’s true that each of those departments may have different rules, but there is no particular legal distinction (for the purposes of this issue) between a sheriff and a police officer.
If you’d like to defend your etymological theory, I’m sure we can open another thread… I thought that the “constable on patrol” theory was not taken seriously by etymologists, but I’m always willing to learn.
please see the following web site for info on the term
“C.O.P”
Article One
Definitions
Article one, section one (hereafter Art. 1.1 CCMC):
COP - A term accepted in 1859 AD and which was a shortening of the word “copper” which was adopted as a term for a policeman in 1846 AD. We are alternatively told it was created as an English word to be a shortening for the term Constable On Patrol. Maybe our English or other British friends can shed some light on the accuracy of these tales.
So 1 of you is 1/2 right on the term use to be “Copper” but, not
for you think. it was the 1st short term for Constable On Patrol.
and might i thank you for my crappy grammar…i have to say
that my grammar is the worst i have ever seen…i think a 6
year old would have a better chance at writting a proper letter
than i do.
below another site with the definitaion of the term COP which
i had allready know…and yes very sorry for replying to a topic
that has since been talked about for some time now.
Since we all know cops aren’t ever allowed to lie when on duty ( ), just go down to the police station and say “I’m about to commit an illegal drug deal/ prostitute myself/ etc., are you planning any drug busts, sting opperations, etc. and if so are any of them going to take place at [address of illegal activity] at [time of illegal activity] today?”
Unless I am mistaken, a police officer cannot enter your home without your premission unless they show probable cause. If nothing in my home were related to a crime, and hence the officer had no probable cause to enter, could I not invite them over to my house, and then make their entry be on the condition they are not a police officer.
Here’s an example I saw on TV: An undercover police officer got a tip some guy wanted to bump off his wife and was looking for a hit man. The cop struck up a conversation with the suspect and somehow they got to talking about setting up a hit. The cop went outside with the fellow, asked the guy a few times if he was sure he wanted to have his wife killed, and then, after being repeatedly answered in the affirmative, promptly arrested him.
Now, say I’m the suspect. I get talking to the guy. I figure the conversation is headed in the direction I’d like it to go, but I don’t want to get caught. Maybe I say “Man, I wish I could make that bitch pay, but I know I can’t.” Copper says “You don’t think so?” I say “Hey, I like you. Let’s change the subject, I’m tired of talking about my wife. Wanna come to my place and watch the fight on Pay-Per-View?” Cop says “sure.” We get to my house. On the doorstep, I say “You know, there’s just one thing I would like to ask you: Are you a cop? I get the feeling I’m being sized up here, and I don’t like it. If you’re a cop, you’re not welcome in my home, and have no right to enter my home. If I’m wrong, I apologize. Are you a cop?”
A police officer cannot search your home without a warrant, an emergency, or permission. If he gains admission to your home under false pretences, I’d guess that any evidence found would be inadmissible. However, holding a conversation under false pretenses is not a search, and anything you say is just as admissible as if you’d said it to someone who isn’t a cop.
Oh, and this thread was over a year old, so I’ve reported it to the Mods.
), just go down to the police station and say “I’m about to commit an illegal drug deal/ prostitute myself/ etc., are you planning any drug busts, sting opperations, etc. and if so are any of them going to take place at [address of illegal activity] at [time of illegal activity] today?”