Is marriage an evolutionary adaptation...

This question about cites for marriageless cultures is driving me nuts, because I can’t quite remember one :slight_smile: . Maybe someone can help?

It was in an issue of Natural History Magazine ( I think - maybe Smithsonian? ) and was about an ethnic minority in China where the women lived alone and could receive any male visitors they wished. Stable relationships sometimes did develop, but weren’t required as I recall. Sadly I can’t remember any more details, certainly not enough to determine if I would absolutely refer to them as a marriageless culture. But from what little I remember they may have come close. Can anyone recall this article and the name of the ethnic group?

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i remember reading an article in an Archeology magazine that someone lent me about a matriarchal tribe the may have been the basis for the amazon legends. My impression was that were in th Afghanistan region.

No I can’t. I remember reading about them, but I don’t know where, and I don’t know what they were called. They might have indeed practiced marriage, but reproduction was, shall we say, a group responsibility.

I’ll poke around Google a bit and see if I can find any information.

That’s a broad statement… pardon the pun. Prove to me that a majority of societies are polygamous. And since when is polygamy not a form of marriage? Sorry if the second part of the OP led you to believe I was asking only about 2 person marriages.

Here is what i was thinking of as marriage – two, or more, people agreeing to share resources and rewards for at least the amount of time needed for the offspring of any, or all of the involved persons to reach maturity.

Anyway, as far as I’m concerned, Phobos answered the question as directly and simply as is possible.

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Marriage is a type of human behavior. Behavior affects the path of evolution. QED.**

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Thanks.

Can you define marriage as the social/legal/religous recognition of pair bonding? If so, the underlying pair bonding has had a defining evolutionary effect on humans. It is a reasonable theory/hypothesis/guess that the very early proto humans had an alpha male social grouping like gorillas and baboons. The top male got all of the females and kept them until he was beaten by a challenger. It seems that very early in the human development when hunting was first being “invented”, the alpha male found that he needed the help of the lesser males to be more successful. Even in their minuscule pre-Australopithecine brains, these lesser males figured there was more to life than a full belly and wanted their own females. The females probably found the greater attention from a single (even if lesser) male was more beneficial in the raising of their young. The ensuing egalitarianism of the Australopithecine hunting pack can still be seen in serial monogamy and marriage and guys wanting to hang out with their buddies.
I envision something like the early labor movement with relatively powerless lesser male pre-Australopithecines demanding a type of compensation for their efforts that the then existing power structure initially and literally fought tooth and nail but eventually agreed to with benefits all around.

Although gorillas have a harem structure, our closest relatives are chimps. Chimps live in mixed bands, not single male multiple female harems. So there is no reason to suppose that our earliest prehuman ancestors had a harem social structure, although it is quite common among mammals and primates.

And why do we assume that male hunting was the impetus for our mating system? It seems more likely that human hidden estrus is the key factor…you can’t know when a human female is ovulating. I doubt our Australopithecine ancestors had much division of labor, given that their hunting was probably mostly lizards and termites. Yes, anatomically humans seem designed for a larger percentage of animal protein than chimps do, but we are still very herbivorous. I think hunting has been greatly over-emphasized in human evolutionary thought.

Grienspace, every hunter-gatherer culture has marriage. Inuit, !Kung, Yanamamo, etc, all have marriage. So your thesis that marriage was invented with “civilization” (I assume you mean agriculture) is not true.

Also, polygamous marriage is still marriage. While today most societies discourage polygamy it was very common in the past. Just read the bible…however, most men would not have had more than one wife, it takes an extremely succesful male to support more than one or two wives. At the hunter-gatherer level, only a few wives are possible. When you get into agriculture and highly stratified societies the sky is the limit.

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No I can’t. I remember reading about them, but I don’t know where, and I don’t know what they were called. They might have indeed practiced marriage, but reproduction was, shall we say, a group responsibility.**

Ghods, Friedo, you need to be careful. Saying a culture has no form of marriage because they are free about reproduction and child-rearing is a gross over-simplification.

Do continue your research, tho, I’d like to see what you read about this particular culture. Can you remember the name of the publication you read it in?

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Nah, the more likely factor is the fact that human babies take so damn long to mature. A chimp or gorilla reaches adulthood in 2 or 3 years. A human doesn’t even enter puberty until age 9 or 10 or so. It’s almost impossible for one adult female to take care of a juvenile human for that long all by herself. Hence, her offspring (who are also the offspring of their biological father) have a much greater chance of making it to adulthood if daddy helps out. Hence, the prevalence of monogamy (or serial monogamy at the very least).

Marriage is a social construct. Monogamy is an evolutionary phenomenon. I hesitate to call it an advantage, since plenty of species apparently propagate fruitfully without pair-bonding for life. Dogs and cats, for example. The continuted humane societies’ campaign to spay/neuter your pets is proof enough, for me anyway.

This whole “survival of the fittest” thing is a serious misinterpretation of Darwin’s theory. Darwin argues that a species produces a wide amount of genetic variety and that some of those variations will be better adapted to survival in the immediate environment that others simply because of their genes. The idea that learned behavior which enables a particular individual to survive and pass on those behaviors simply by creating progeny is the idea of a fellow named Lamarck, whose ideas Darwin rejects.

Simply put: genetic material that better enables survival can be passed on. Learned behavior that does the same can’t.
Humans can teach their progeny, of course, but that’s the result of social development.

If you accept memetics as a valid explanation of human culture marriage is an evolutionary adaptation … but not a genetic one.

A meme is a self-replicating cultural unit. Simple memes are things like urban legends or graffiti (“Kilroy was here”). Collections of memes can work together to generate more complex self-replicating cultural units (things like the United States or Christianity).

The near-universal human practice of some form of marriage suggests that there’s a strong selection pressure for a “marriage is good” meme.

Darwin rejected Lamarck’s view that acquired physical characteristics could be passed on. That is, to reduce Lamark’s view to its silliest extreme, that if someone cut the elephant’s trunk off, it would then give birth to little elephants without trunks.

I never heard that Darwin rejected the idea that learned behavior could be passed to children after they were born. Not only do humans clearly do this, but I believe some other animals pass on learned behaviors of which the young have no genetic knowledge. At least, parental instruction plays an important part in kittens learning to hunt and hatchling birds learning to fly.

There’s also the issue that at least some aspects of human behavior are genetic. We just don’t know for sure, yet, which behaviors are genetic and which behaviors are learned. (Hence, the ever-raging nature-vs.-nurture debate.)

Evolutionary psychologists usually assume that if nearly every human society on earth does it (where “it” could mean marrying, staying together in small tribes, etc.), then “it” probably has a genetic component.

I wouldn’t call it parental instruction - more stimulation of instinct.

Mother cats, for example, merely bring still-living prey to the kittens and let them figure it out, generally because they’re old enough to have developed the predatory response and just need it stimulated.

Mother birds rely on the instinct that makes the babies follow them around (I can’t think of the word!) to lure them out of the nest. They sit far enough away so they can’t be easily reached and the fledglings have to figure out that their wings are the key to getting them where their mother is.

I think the word you’re looking for is impression.

I thought that might have been it but I wasn’t sure. Thanks :slight_smile:

I vote for eating, sleeping, and fucking. I honestly think everything else is social.

I think it’s a bad assumption. I would argue that staying together in small tribes is a learned behavior, even in animals - a very old one, to be sure, but learned nonetheless. Monogamy’s a little trickier - I think it’s learned, but can’t come up with an argument to support it.

This is all a vague memory, but a few years ago wasn’t there some published research on the physical bases for love and pair-bonding? IIRC, oxytocin was the hormone involved and, again IIRC, there was a hormonal basis for the “seven-year” itch.
It my recollections are correct, than there is at least some argument for a physical/hormonal (and thus genetic) basis to serial monogamy.

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Don’t have a whole lot to add to the debate personally, other than to lend my general support to the proposition that there are likely to be evolutionary explanations for most, if not all, features of human reproductive behavior. I base my opinion on a reasonably broad course of reading in the literature of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology (or at least the subset of the literature that’s accessible to a motivated and literate layman).

That being said, I would also touch on the following points:
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[li]While evolutionary psychologists have been able to posit coherent theories about most aspects of human reproductive behavior, in few if any cases can it be proved that these behaviors are definitively the result of genetic modification via the mechanisms of natural or sexual selection.[/li][li]There is a high correlation between testicle size and prevailing reproductive strategy among the mammals that have been studied. Mammals that do not form pair bonds and that mate indiscriminately have the largest testicles (relative to body size), while those that form permanent monogamous relationships have the smallest. On this basis, one would predict, based on testicle size, that humans would be somewhat monogamous, though not exclusively so – i.e., pretty much the state of affairs that we see in almost every society. “Opportunistically adulterous” is one way to characterize it.[/li][li]There’s a fair amount of data to support the notion that polygamy (in the narrow sense of having multiple wives) is much more common in societies that are socially and economically stratified; i.e., some means for the long-term preservation and accumulation of wealth and status is essential before men can secure exclusive reproductive access to multiple women.[/li][li]A description of the prevailing sexual strategies used by humans, even when coupled (you should pardon the pun) with an evolutionary explanation, is just that, a description, not a prescription. On the subject of whether an individual ought to behave in a particular way, evolutionary psychology is and must be silent.[/li][li]Finally, at a certain level, if you accept evolution via natural and sexual selection as the primary mechanism by which humans have come to be where we are, then any aspect of human culture is, by definition, a product of evolution. Mozzarella cheese, A Chorus Line, yo-yos, sleepwalking, and personal computers are all products of evolution, as is the typically monogamous, opportunistically adulterous reproductive strategy pursued by most of us.[/li][/ul]

For more detailed elucidations of the current thinking on these topics, I’d recommend the following:
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[li]The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating, David M. Buss. The best overview of the subject I’ve read. While the conclusions Buss draws are sometimes underwhelming, and the methodology sometimes open to question, his study at least has the virtue of attempting to base itself on a fairly large sample covering a significant number and variety of cultures.[/li][li]The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature, Matt Ridley. Ridley’s a writer rather a researcher, which makes this book more readable than Buss’s. Ridley’s conclusions are based a review of the research available at the time it was written, which did not include the work detailed in The Evolution of Desire.[/li][li]The Third Chimpanzee, Jared Diamond. My favorite overview of the specifics of human evolution. Diamond deals extensively with human reproductive behavior and its likely evolutionary causes. He deals even more exhaustively with the subject in the next item in my list.[/li][li]Why is Sex Fun?: The Evolution of Human Sexuality, Jared Diamond.[/li][/ul]