That’s not what I was asking. Your description of the rule Mike Pence has set for himself doesn’t seem very close to what others say, or what he says himself. Here’s what you claimed -
Saying he won’t have dinner alone with a woman, or attend parties where alcohol is served without his wife, is a little short of saying he won’t attend cabinet meetings if there is a woman present. Like from here to Indianapolis short.
That goes a good bit beyond spin, IMO. Sorry - not buying it.
It’s amazing to me that people feel the need to invent problems when you have a target who does as many awful and weird things as Trump does. There’s no actual evidence that he has more health problems than other presidents (certainly not more than the one who died in office of pneumonia), but people keep arguing that he’s got to be the most unhealthy ever because… reasons.
I will place $1000 right now that on the condition Pence becomes President, he will hold cabinet meetings with women present without his wife around.
The thing is, I can find no reference to support your interpretation of his personal chaperone policy. Every single reference to it I can find states his policy is to not be alone with another woman who isn’t his wife. You are the only source I can find who says he will never meet with women in any capacity without his wife around - which, of course, he already has done every time he was in a Cabinet meeting.
Well, his former personal physician has admitted that his rather bizarre write-up 2015 of Trump’s physical condition was something that was personally dictated by Trump himself, and alleges that Trump’s people raided the doctor’s office in 2017 to seize Trump’s medical records.
Plus, Ronny Jackson’s report on Trump’s annual physical raised a lot of eyebrows, most notably his report of Trump’s weight, which seemed to be rather on the kind side.
You’re right that, other than being overweight, sedentary, and eating a fatty diet, there’s no publicly-known evidence of actual physical maladies for him. On the other hand, as is often the case with Trump, there’s evidence to suggest that he’s taking pains to make himself sound even better than he actually may be.
My Facebook feed is regularly inundated with remarks about Trump being in horrible health, including photoshopped pictures of him playing golf that were very obviously of John Daly originally.
Based on what you said about the Pence rule, I did some superficial Googling on some of the rest of your allegations.
I wasn’t able to find anything to back this up. I did find a reference to an HIV outbreak in Scott County, and public health officials advised setting up a needle exchange, which was illegal under state law at the time. Pence opposed this at first, but
Is that what you meant? It’s not very close to what you said.
I’d like to see a cite for the Social Security cuts.
Is there any difference between something being too expensive, and its not being free? ETA - the Department of Prisons estimated it would cost $25-30 million to implement the program (some of the provisions had been implemented already). Total amount allocated for grants for this program was $25 million the first year, and $20 million the second. No state received more than $1 million (cite).
First of all, I’m not talking about Trump’s health “for his age”. Any man Trump’s age would be expected to be unhealthy. And he’s the oldest President we’ve ever had. We’re not comparing him to other men his age; we’re comparing him to other Presidents.
Second, of what we do know about his health, every single point of it points at it being poor. We know that he eats junk. We know that he actively avoids exercise. We know that he’s obese. We know that he’s terrible at stress management. What is there, at all, to indicate good health?
Third, we know that his health is sufficiently bad that he felt obligated to blatantly lie about every point of it. OK, I’ll grant that Trump routinely lies about everything just because he’s Trump, but that’s still got to be indicative.
If I were in charge of the Democratic agenda next year (I’m not) after they take back the House and Senate (they won’t) I would focus on trying to find a way to impeach Pence and leave Trump in office. Don’t even bother considering any replacement nominations. Make it clear to Trump that he’s on his own. Then start passing bills to roll back the imperial presidency while letting him go on TV as often as he likes. And push through the entire liberal agenda under titles like “The Donald Trump has Huge Hands and Other Parts Bill (to enact a single payer healthcare system but you don’t need to pay attention to this part) Yay Trump”.
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Medicare Part D. Really. Pence being “right” about that is the takeaway here? Never mind his 50’s-era attitude towards women and LGBTQs – thank Og he was right about Medicare Part D.
Nope, he defunded the Planned Parenthood clinic in Scott County because of his religious stance (anti-abortion, even though that particular clinic did not perform abortions, and being anti-birth control). It was the only clinic in Scott County doing any HIV screening, counseling, education, or outreach.
So we should allocate more money for rape prevention. Seems obvious to me.
In case it’s not clear, what’s being asked for is a cite. You can’t just say “nope” and expect folks here to accept that*, especially after having made several factual errors on the subject.
*well, lots of folks here will accept it since it reinforces their preferred narrative, but some folks aren’t going to just accept it.
However, someone with direct experience should be given more credit than someone without it questioning it. Cite requests are for topics that are contrary to expectations or common experience, not to indulge someone unwilling to Google it himself.
He supports torturing gay people until they are willing to act straight to get the torture to stop, that’s what conversion therapy actually is. I’m perfectly willing to label that alone as ‘fanatic’ level, without even getting into his weird beliefs about women which others are already pointing out.
Lots of cites, but no quotes from them. Just perusing them, it looks like Planned Parenthood was defunded in Indiana due to actions taken by the legislature. Now, it may very well be that Pence was in lock step with that action (I suspect he was), but it seems that the legislature, representing the people of Indiana, was the active party here.
The other issue, of course, is that Planned Parenthood gets less than 50% of its funding from government sources, so saying Pence “abolished the ONE clinic…” is not an accurate portrayal of the situation since 1) it was the legislature that did the defunded things and 2) it’s not like anyone specifically targeted that one clinic-- Planned Parenthood must have made the decision to close that particular clinic, keeping other clinics open, due to government funding pullbacks.
