lekatt claims that no one has seen one species become another.
Specific instances of observed speciation are provided only a couple of posts later.
In the very same thread, lekatt repeats his lie that there is no evidence.
This is not a matter of you refuting the evidence presented. This is a matter of you continuing to ignore evidence that you don’t want to see and then lying that it has not been presented.
As an adult, the pledge has always struck me as pointless. I have no allegiance to the flag. If it changes so what? The flag is a neat piece of artwork. I like it alright. but “allegiance” to it? Come on.
I do hold an allegiance to American ideals as I perceive them. To me that’s what my patriotism is about.
[sub]I apologize for participating in the hijack of this thread.[/sub]
I read it and it talked about something that happened a few years ago in a lab. It didn’t say a thing about what happened millions of years ago. Are you saying you recreated evolution? Also I have noticed some comments from others that didn’t believe it had any bearing on evolution. It is just a matter of opinion, not proof.
Yes, I am counting time in the reserve, I was still in the Navy. I don’t remember picking any dates for sure, It is hard to recall something that happened over 40 years ago.
That’s all well and good. But what about that “proof positive” you’ve mentioned several times? Here’s your chance to stick to SimonX, me, and any other doubters of your claims re: naval service.
Dear lekatt:
A while back in this thread, you mentioned the brave Americans who risked their lives fighting in World War II for the sake of their country.
Some – a minority, admittedly, but still some – of the men and women who served in the U.S. military during WW2 were atheists.
Do you think they were fighting for God as well as country?
Actually, you apparently did not read it, because it talked about several species that have developed in the wild.
Your comment about what happened millions of years ago is irrelevant (and a demonstration of a real avoidance of knowledge). The whole point of the description of evolution is that it is an ongoing process. The same phenomena that are witnessed today are exactly the same events that are proposed to have happened millions of years ago because they indicate the same activity. You cannot separate “old” speciation from “new” speciation unless you can give a reason why speciation would have started just recently.
Regardless, the links I provided clearly indicate that you do not actually participate in these threads; you simply post your uninformed beliefs as if they were fact, and then lie about what other people have posted. As such, you are simply indulging in the ignorance that we attempt to fight, here.
The flag is a symbol. It’s a good symbol as far as that goes, but what matters is what the flag symbolizes, not the symbol itself.
When religion-any religion-becomes part of the secular government of a country, I just don’t think that’s a good thing. When any group, whether religious or not, is condemned because it doesn’t conform to some assumed standard of belief, or isn’t given the same treatment as all others, that’s a very bad thing.
The pledge is fine as far as it goes but people who think the pledge, or the flag, is more important than any persons opinion, are not the kind of people that I believe founded this country.
LMFAO 
Ahh, that it does, and if you want to, go right ahead, at least I won’t criticize you for what you do/believe/say…etc.
Ignorance solves nothing. America is an ignorant country.
If you want to pledge allegiance to ignorance, then be my guest.
Pretty sweeping, and ignorant, comment, that.
Limitations on the protections granted by the 1st Amendment aside, I believe a quote from the movie Easy Rider is in order here:
GEORGE: “They’ll talk to ya and talk to ya and talk to ya about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it’s gonna scare 'em.”
The only ignorance one is qualified to fight is self-ignorance.
Love
Leroy
One never fights for God, He can take care of Himself.
I don’t remember anything being said about atheists from that period of time in my life, except “there are no atheists in the foxholes.”
Can’t verify that, but when we were in the middle of a hurricane, everybody within my line of sight was praying, including the Captain. Every so often He would look up and say: " God help us through this."
I have done volunteer work at hospice, and again I never talked with anyone who professed to be an atheist. I know people act really “tough” when things are going ok, but most change their attitude when staring death in the face.
Love
Leroy
We are going to play this game then?
If I say “WWII never happened” can you prove me wrong without using inference?
What are you talking about?
Care to enlighten us with more than hinted at glimpses of your genius insight?
The call for proof of assertions is perfectly legitimate. However, incoherent rambling is ill-advised as a messageboard tactic. If you have something to assert, then say it, and then defend your assertion with actual argument instead of making bold claims about where you think my logic is overreaching, or what your great insights are.
In other words: “Put up, or shut up.”
You’re losing.
Sure, we have people still alive who witnessed it and fought in it. We have photos, movies, graveyards, monuments, etc. We even have planes, tanks etc.
With your supposed evolution, we are asked to assume that one creature evolved in another creature over a period of millions of years. There are no withnesses, no one went back in time and observed it. We have no photos of it happening, we only have assumption or faith. Now that is not proof and never will be. The general public knows evolution is theory, but the scientists seem to have forgotten.
At least I am still trying.
Actually, you appear to have surrendered to ignorance some time ago. You have taken one or two feelings about how the world ought to work and expanded them into a personal belief system that safely excludes any contradiction, usually by mis-defining the meanings of words, often by repeating falsehoods as if they were a mantra that would make them come true by repetition. As a personal philosophy, I would not criticize your choice to live in your own odd cocoon of error. When you come to this message board and repeat those whimsical beliefs, contrary to fact, and insist on interjecting your feelings into discussions of fact, then you are proselytizing for ignorance. I see that you have repeated, once again, your lie about what has or has not been seen in evolutionary development. It is clear from the way that you express your error that you have never even taken the time to try to understand what has or has not been observed regarding evolution.
Whatever your personal feelings about how the world works, that sort of willfull ignorance is truly sad.