is raping a prostitute the same as shoplifting?

Given that prostitutes provide services rather than goods, the more reasonable comparison would be with slavery.

Yeah, but the point is, unlike in the case of fraud or shoplifting, refusal to pay in this scenario would not itself be illegal. Therefore, in a technical sense I suppose it isn’t accurate to consider refusal to pay as analogous to either of those other two crimes.

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this is completely irrelevant but um, not necessarily…

Which is why nearly all prostitutes require up-front payment, usually for a set amount of time - and then set a timer to running. However, at least among the Nevada professionals, the’re usually not TOO strict about going a little over the alloted time if it’s [ahem] taking a little longer than anticipated to fulfill the contract*

*better not to ask how I know these things…:wink:

At least he didn’t add “Need answer fast!”

On a related note, is dating a prostitute the same as shoplifting from her pimp?

dating, no. sex, yes

In the exact same way that killing someone to take their heart because they signed their organ donor card is simple theft.

It’s true that someone who deals in an illegal but still highly-desired trade (drugs, prostitution, murder-for-hire) does not have any legal recourse should a client take advantage of goods or services without compensating them. That doesn’t make theft from them morally neutral or permissible. It means the law is inadequate.

It also doesn’t protect said thieves from broken legs or retaliatory gunshot wounds.

Further, rape is not just sex, it’s typically a violent crime, with violence real or implied.

And then there was the prostitute who didn’t know she’d been raped until the check bounced.

The law is inadequate because it does not provide recourse to someone who was not paid for carrying out a hit? An interesting point of view.

I’m thinking you don’t know much about how the relationships between prostitutes and pimps really work.

Here, MinkyBinks, knock yourself out. If any of that sounds like shoplifting, you and I don’t know the same petty thieves.

Wow. A rape joke thread.

So if someone hires me to mow his lawn and he doesn’t pay me, instead of a civil breach of contract, he should be charged with slavery?

No, with mowpery.

…on a related note: prostitution is legal here in NZ. There was a recent case of a policeman who was sentenced to two years jail for using a threat to get sex with a prostitute.

Not the same situation as the OP postulates, but just an example of how the legal situation would work in a country with legalized prostitution.

The whole concept is that you are supposed to pay for something and you “take it” but don’t pay, then what is that? stealing. stealing = shoplifting.