Is red meat the same thing as dark meat?

I’ve been trying to find this question out. USDA.gov makes explicit use of the phrases “red meat” and “white meat”, but never defines them, and I’m having trouble finding a listing of what’s considered what. These two articles seem to suggest that it is the same thing, but never come out and say it:

Are manatees white meat or dark meat? (05-Jul-2000) by SDSTAFF Jill
Why is white meat white and dark meat dark? (04-Dec-1998) by Cecil Adams

Also, the first article there seems to link to the second one, but it’s a bad URL (404). I had a heck of a time finding the real Cecil article. :slight_smile:

I was confused by this, too. Especially with those “Pork: the other white meat” commercials running. But having read the articles, I think the answer is yes.

As for the link, at some point the old columns were renumbered. For a while there were duplicate copies, one at each column number system. It appears they finally finished converting to the newer system. However, links in old threads (and apparently columns) are not updated. They might get updated as they are encountered. Try asking a moderator nicely. :wink:

My impression is that “dark meat” refers to the leg or thigh of a fowl. “Red Meat” is beef. “White meat” is din-din.

Oops!:o Just a bit of regression there…

Okay, I think I’m getting a better handle on it; thanks for the responses. I guess that nutritionally speaking, the “dark meat” of poultry is in the same category of the “red meat” of beef, but you don’t call it that. I know beef is red meat, and some of a chicken is white meat, but I wonder if there’s a more general way of determining it. It’s not just mammal vs. bird, because ostriches are red meat, and manatees are… well… I guess I didn’t quite get an answer out of that column, so nevermind.

I also think that ham and bacon are red meat, but don’t quote me on that. (They look red to me.)

BUt woudn’t ham, bacon and pork be considered all the same type of meat (white)?

CHicken has light and dark meat becasue they don’t use their flight muscles:

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but i was not aware of anything similar in pigs. So I must assume they use all their muscle equaly. So much like ducks:

pigs would have one uniform “type of meat”
But that stell begs the question, why is it “white meat” in the first place. ANd whats with the worms?

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Can we get someone from the USDA here to help out here?

Wait a minute. Is pork actually white meat? I was told that slogan was a joke, or something.

As I understand it: Red meat is mammals. White meat is poultry and fish. Pork: The Other White Meat is an advertising campaign to convince people that pork is as healthy as poultry or fish (whether this is true, I know not). In some poultry, different parts are light meat or dark meat, but this is a distinction independent of red meat vs. white meat.

Is that a strict distinction or a general one? Are ratites and “the rare mammals that are known as White Meat” mentioned in the letter to Jill the only exceptions?

Also this makes me wonder where does Tuna fall
For those non-sushi lovers out there, raw tuna is similar is color to beef, a deep dark red.