Is Sam Adams beer really that special, relatively speaking?

Heh. I’ve been to all of those except for Dave’s Brew Farm. All the breweries mentioned are excellent. (Breweries mentioned are: Founders, Bell’s, Three Floyd’s, Revolution, New Glarus, and Dave’s Brew Farm.)

There’s not much to discuss. It’s widely accepted that many of the best beers in the world are brewed in the US. And it’s certainly hard to find such a wide variety of different styles brewed at such consistently high quality anywhere else in the world.

I take it you missed this brouhaha.

Not everyone is convinced.

Meh.

I don’t claim it’s necessarily the best, just that there’s no doubt America is at least near the top.

And at least there’s no reason for people to automatically dismiss American beers as inferior, which still seems to happen for some reason (as occurred in that thread, as I recall).

I feel I should be angry with you.

A bit of trivia: most SA beers are brewed in Cincinnati. So I am supporting my home state by drinking SA. :slight_smile:

My two favorite SA beers are Boston Lager and Summer Ale. I do ***not ***like their overly-fruity/sweet beers like Cherry Wheat, Cream Stout, and Honey Porter. Yuck.

Indeed. I didn’t even click the damned link and I still have the stupid thing stuck in my head.

Sam Adams is just not as good as SAMUEL JACKSON BEER! IT’LL GET YA DRUNK!

Not sure what point you’re actually making. No, Sam Adams is not a Miller product and your reasons for saying it is are simply asinine.

It’s like saying Dr. Pepper/7UP soft drinks are really products of Coke or Pepsi (both Coke and Pepsi control large parts of the Dr. Pepper/7UP bottling and distribution business.) I don’t think anyone would deny that those distribution and bottling ties to the “big two” are essential for Dr. Pepper/7UP soft drinks being ubiquitous in their availability, but it’s an entirely separately owned company with different product design staff and et cetera.

Same deal with the Boston Beer Company, it’s irrelevant if 100% of their distribution network is controlled by another company, if they are legally a separate company (not a subsidiary or majority owned by another company) and they have their own product development staff it’s just simply factually incorrect to present the idea that Sam Adams is a Miller product.

Another salient point is even if it was a Miller product, that doesn’t impact whether it’s a good beer. The only thing it would impact is whether it was “technically” defined as a craft brewer by the American Brewers Association.

There are wholly owned subsidiaries of macrobrews that produce decent beer, Leinenkugel is an SABMiller owned company and produces good beer, the aforementioned Blue Moon created by Coors is not a bad beer (typically where I buy beer I can find 2-3 better Belgian white style ales so I don’t often drink it, but it’s worlds better than Coors Light or any of the mainstream Coors products.)

So I guess I’m left confused what point you’re trying to make. Are you trying to bash the quality of Sam Adams because of who distributes it? Well, that’s obviously a matter of opinion, but the “weight of public opinion” at both beer festivals and on sights like Beer Advocate are that Sam Adams is substantially higher quality than any of the mainstream Macrobrew products in the United States. I think the top 10 best selling individual beer types in the U.S. are: Bud Light, Budweiser, Miller Lite, Coors Light, Corona Extra, Natural Light, Heineken, Michelob Ultra Light, Busch Light, Miller High Life. I can tell you in my own personal opinion, the opinion of various beer festivals, and the opinion of sites like Beer Advocate Sam Adams is in a whole different tier of quality than any of those ten named beers. So even if it was a Miller product, it wouldn’t mean it was a bad beer.

However, it isn’t a Miller product nor is it a macrobrew. Based on the technical (meaning the only one I give a shit about) definition of “craft brewery” the American Brewer’s Association says a craft brewer is any brewer with less than 6,000,000 barrels in annual production and who are not 24% or more owned by a brewer with more than 6m barrels in annual production.

Further, I think your characterization of the relationship between Boston Beer Company and SABMiller does not hold up to factual scrutiny, this is from the Boston Beer Company’s annual report:

If you can figure out safe packaging for beer bottles through the mail, maybe we can do a deal. I live about 45 minutes drive from the brewery.

I just looked through their website, and you can have them ship beer directly to you via UPS. And the shipping is free if your order is more than $60.

I stand corrected… I thought their Cincinnati brewery produced the most beer. Interesting.