The Yazidi generally keep to themselves.
Well, one bootleg cover anyway. Dawn of the Black Hearts
Yeah, the Polish scene, all 10 of them, were dicks. And I agree that Vikernes is a dick, too. But white supremacy wasn’t a focal point for the music, it’s just a few people who think/thought that way.
Yeah but they were no more a gang than the Trenchcoat Mafia was a gang. Just a bunch of idiots hanging out together.
Whether they were ‘idiots’ or a ‘real gang’ or not, is irrelevant. Racism was definitely a part of Black Metal in Norway. When I can get hold of them, I’ll post some quotes from people who were central to the Black Metal world at that time (1991-1994). Varg killing Euronymous split the scene, and those who followed Varg after he became a skinhead, followed a racist line (he started deliberately using the term ‘Judeo-Christian’ rather than just Christian, as an example, and many others followed).
According to the Wikipedia article on Satanism, the sect known as “Luciferianism” has recently been cast out from the Church of Satan for the offense of being too Christian. That’s pretty funny if it’s a put-on, and even funnier if it’s not. “Get thee before me, Savior!”
I must say also that the photo of High Priest Peter H. Gilmore suggests a remarkably folksy side to the Church of Satan. “Have you accepted Satan into your life? Order today and enjoy this limited-offer music collection, featuring the mellow stylings of Pete Gilmore singing Satan’s favorite country hits.”
I thought you were a Vampire Cultist?
Yes it is. I didn’t say the name had never been used, but it was used to refer to what was effectively inverted Christianity. Satanism as a heresy of Christianity is merely a label for opposition to Christianity, that’s not a religion. What LaVey founded was a religion with a consistent set of scriptures, doctrine, ritual etc. Until LaVey there was satanism, after him there was Satanism.
As for the use of the name, as you yourself know acceptance of the name isn’t a priority for Satanists (or indeed Vampires/werewolves/Witches etc). However we’re not the ones complaining that the name is ambiguous or does not reflect perception, that’s what non-Satanists do. We’re clear what it means so we see no need to change it to suit others.
:rolleyes:
When you know what you’re talking about I’ll engage with you.
Please do. The NBM scene is fascinating. Unfortunately, I think most of the music (like 99% of it) is crap, but at least the style and the extra-curricular activities are interesting.
I’m always looking to learn more.
btw, did you see Metal: A Headbanger’s Journey? The DVD extra about the NBM scene has some excellent interviews.
Are you now or have you ever been a Vampire Cultist?
If you don’t want to explain the difference to me that’s fine. But don’t play games when we both know exactly what I’m asking about.
I actually quite like a lot of the music from the early nineties, but like most things, history keeps getting re-written by the people involved. I think the most important moment for this was a very long interview with Fenriz published in the German ‘Soluzen’ magazine (I don’t think it’s online - if anyone knows if it is, please let me know!) in around 1996. He basically got quite drunk and showed a sense of humour that nobody before that in the scene had allowed themselves to. Since then, he’s gotten more and more silly (in a good way, IMHO).
The thing was, when he was friends with Varg (letting Varg write half of the lyrics on Transylvanian Hunger, and at least one song on Panzerfaust), he came out with some pretty dodgy statements. The most infamous one is something like saying that anyone who boycotted Darkthrone should be abused for their “obviously Jewish behaviour”. Later, he claimed that using ‘Jewish’ in that way was common in Norway. Putting “Norsk Arisk Black Metal” (“Norwegian Aryan Black Metal”) on the back of one of their records didn’t help either.
My copy of said record doesn’t have that phrase anywhere. My impression is that it was just for shock value, and once they realized they could sell more records without it, it disappeared quickly.
I’m guessing you have the second Peaceville edition? Because it’s on the first one, and also on the Australian version which was put out by a person strongly rumoured to be, himself, a Nazi-sympathiser. Peaceville dropped the band in 1994 because of that and the aforementioned other stupid comments.
Only on the Dope will we get regular members arguing about the specific version of an obscure Norweigen sub-sub-sub-sub-musical genera, but also someone arguing that satanism was made up by some dude in the sixties – and all with specifics and cites if necessary. Wonderful.
Most likely.
I looked for that interview, and I think it might be available in German. I don’t speak German well at all tho, so I can’t really tell all of what I’m looking at from my google searches.
Or I could just be talking through my hat. But it’s definitely on the Australian version.
Thanks for the laugh 
Not to mention the post/poster’s name connection
Can you please post the cite? I’ll recognise it if it’s the same one.
Also, I’ve decided there’s no point posting random racist/supremacist quotes from various turkeys from the Black Metal scene. This article is not so much about fascism and black metal, but about fascism and Michael Moynihan (of Blood Axis, and the author of the great Lords of Chaos book). For more on the connection, check out http://ww w.nsbm.org/ (link broken, as it may get you in trouble at work it hate sites are banned).
Junior Spaceman, the German site was some sort of publishing clearinghouse or something, and I couldnt seem to get anything other than a list of names.
This guy and this guy are both selling copies of Soluzen #4 (the cold meat guy only wants $6 for it).
Sure you did:
Ah, cheers. I actually have a print copy of the magazine, but have wondered whether it was ever online. I might scan it some time and put it up somewhere.
And WhyNot, for whatever reason, he’s sticking to the distinction between large ‘S’ Satanism [sub]TM[/sub] and small ‘s’ satanism.
Has anyone ever heard of the o.t.o.?