I think you are missing the point. That is the highlight of his posts and is necessary because the rest of each post is complete dross.
And the reason he is not active currently is because he was attacked relentlessly for not being liberal.
No, that’s it in a nutshell. The boards are extremely liberal, and extremely hostile to all non-liberal thought. Anyone who doesn’t toe the line gets attacked. That includes Sam Stone, Bricker, Mr. Moto, Starving Artist, and every other conservative poster on the SDMB without exception. The more active you are, the more you get attacked.
Yes it is.
The bottom line is, liberals are pussies. They cannot stand the fact that somewhere, somehow, someone disagrees with them. And they are so weak that even when they are hugely in the majority they need constant reassurance.
It’s like the dumb shit the SDMB kept saying when the Dems controlled all three branches of the federal government. All they did was whine that they were powerless because the GOP had them outnumbered 41-59 in the Senate.
It’s like the joke that went around during the Six Days War.
A group of twenty Egyptian soldiers is out on patrol. A local peasant comes along and tells them to go behind a big rock, because there is an Israeli soldier there. The Egyptians talk about it for a while, then decide to send someone over to check it out. They send one of their soldiers behind the rock.
He sneaks cautiously around, and disappears from sight. Then, suddenly, he comes tearing back, running like hell.
“GO BACK! GO BACK!” he yells. “IT’S A TRAP!!!”
“THERE’S TWO OF THEM!”
Regards,
Shodan
They get attacked for their personalities, not their politics.
Okay, do some quick math. What would Romney’s tax rate be if he didn’t donate any money to charity? Do you think the OP would’ve drawn the line at that point? That the “too low” threshold for the OP was between Romney’s pre-deduction and post-deduction tax rate?
“This is outrageous! Romney claims the rich are overtaxed and pays 14% taxes himself!”
“Oh, Romney pays 16% taxes. He’s totally right to say that the rich are overtaxed”
This is what the argument you feel that the OP was making despite him clearly not making that argument?
You are a lying piece of shit. Not right wing. Not ideologically wrong. A LIAR. You say things which are not sincere and you know they are not sincere. Who the fuck do you think is buying your bullshit? Starving Arist? OMG A black conservative? Are you trying to put on a show for them?
It’s not like it’s close. Your behavior documented in the OP of this thread is plainly lying and scummy for anyone to see. For you to deny this is like a 4 year old literally saying “I didn’t do it!” after his parents watched him spill something. Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding? Yourself?
You know who’s a pussy? You are a fucking pussy.
You are unwilling to make an intellectually honest argument and defend it and stand by its merits. Instead all you do is snipe with pathetic partisan attacks. And these attacks are often lies entirely. They often have nothing to do with anything anyone actually said. You just come in with your “oh you think republicans are evil, I can’t possibly reason with you liberals” bullshit. But you’ve never tried to reason with anyone. You aren’t smart enough to be able to make and defend an argument on this board. So you snipe from the sidelines with pathetic lies.
You are a liar and a pussy and whatever criticisms you make about the quality of posting and arguments coming from the board liberals apply tenfold to you because you’ve never made an honest, substantial post in your entire life.
Fish gotta swim
Birds gotta fly
But they don’t last long
if they try
- Tom Lehrer
Nope, it’s politics.
Regards,
Shodan
Need a tissue?
Regards,
Shodan
I have never seen a poster so damned determined to prove his own pitting to be correct.
I’m not crying. I’m succintly describing what a piece of shit you are. Why would that make me sad? Angry, if anything - so maybe you can have some trolling satisfaction, but why in the fuck would I need a tissue?
So everyone who’s conservative gets treated the same? You, Clothahump, Sam Stone, and John Mace all get the same treatment? You don’t think the quality of their arguments and the intellectual honesty they put forth makes their treatment differ at all?
The idea that this board just won’t listen to conservative posters is fucking retarded. Or maybe you have it in your head that anyone who states a conservative argument in GD and has then is argued against is being “attacked”. Fits into the conservative persecution complex, I guess, all the while you’re calling liberals pussies who can’t stand up for themselves.
Look at all of the apolitical issues, or issues that don’t line up along right/left lines. The people that lie, the people with the shitty arguments, the people that are fucking stupid, get treated badly. Their arguments get destroyed.
If someone came into an apolitical thread shitting all over it as much as you did in that Romney thread, they’d get shit for it too.
You know, I actually think the anti-conservative bias works in your favor. I think maybe some people buy into the conservative persecution bullshit that you guys allege, so that when you are getting utterly wrecked because you are full of shit, people might actually think it’s because of your politics and not because you’re a lying piece of shit.
Who is it, by the way, that you think is your counterpart on the left that doesn’t get attacked because of the board’s left leanings? Who confines themselves to never making an argument but only sniping instead, dedicates their lives to cheap political shots, lies regularly, deliberately and obviously misconstrues the position of their opponents, and never contributes anything? Luci is the best I can think of, except he’s not constantly lying, and he’s trying to be funny more than he’s trying to be malicious as you are. Give me an example of your counterpart who gets treated so much better.
Sure you can spare your joy rags?
Ass Horn,
Graded
This board is probably overrepresented when it comes to libertarians. At least in terms of the relative number you see in the general population. As for conservatives, this board is more representative of the US and Western Europe, which is where we draw most of our posters from. You’re wrong about Sam, btw. He doesn’t post much because he was tired of being ganged up on. Even if it’s “been that way from the start”, it does get old.
To wipe off the foam. Or perhaps the semen - please don’t tell us which it is.
John Mace isn’t a conservative. And we have already established that Sam Stone and Mr. Moto get (or got) the same treatment, despite the worth of their arguments.
So yes - intellectual honesty has nothing to do with it. Conservatives get attacked.
You have picked the best example, but you are wrong to say he is in any sense my “counterpart”. Your allegation that I never contribute anything is wrong. elucidator never makes any substantive points, never defends a position, and does nothing but snark. I don’t do those things.
Regards,
Shodan
Well, maybe. The thing is - there’s such a dearth of quality posters from anything but progressives (conservatives and libertarians combined) that when one of them decides to take a break, it has a much more noticible effect. The board could lose 10 of the better liberal debators and not cause such a loss.
Who’s left? Bricker? He’s smart but so ridiculously partisan that it’s hard to take him seriously sometimes. Granted, he’s far less trollish than posters like Shodan and really does substantiate his arguments, but he lets the absurdity of his partisanship become known on issues like the Sharon Angle “second amendment solutions” bullshit.
Guys like Starving Artist, OMG A Black Conservative, Clothahump, etc. would not qualify as intellectual giants in any context.
The thing is - how many conspiracy theorists do we have on this board? Their arguments get destroyed and they wander off. I’m starting to think we’re seeing the same effect with republican supporters. The fox news talking points are so out of line with a factual understanding of the world that they may become unsupportable.
This still allows people room to argue conservative principles, or libertarian principles in the abstract. But when it comes to actually being rigidly partisan - to siding with republicans and arguing their current causes - it leaves you entirely vulnerable.
Which is why people like you and xtisme do fine. You’re not rigidly partisan. You have no allegiance to the republican party, so far as I can tell. So you can argue the stuff that actually makes sense to you, rather than trying to be an apologist for “my party right or wrong” garbage that you know on some level is wrong.
Which is what I was getting at - it’s becoming harder and harder to be taken seriously as a republican partisan. Some people gave up, others just post drivel like Shodan.
This board is a meritocracy of ideas as much as anywhere on the internet - there’s no systematic bias that’s keeping these intellectual, quality conservative posters away.
John Mace isn’t a republican, but he’s certainly one of the people who fairly consistently takes positions against the grain on this board. Libertarians are anti-liberal on a lot of issues, so whether or not he qualifies as conservative is somewhat irrelevant.
Do you mean that people attack their arguments in GD? Is this oppression to you? That’s the entire fucking point of that forum. People didn’t tee off on Sam Stone the way people tee off on you or Clothahump or any of the other worthless malicious assholes.
You’re saying you make substantive posts, defend positions, and don’t snark? Let’s see some examples. Because it would be easy as fuck to prove where you’re snarking.
Luci usually just tries to be funny, occasionally even managing to. His posts are never as mean spirited as yours. He doesn’t lie anywhere near to the degree that you do.
If there were some liberal version of you that got off easy, you could maybe make a claim to hypocrisy - but there isn’t really a liberal version of you on the boards. Your brand of slimy, asshole, liar with nothing substantial to post is actually rather rare.
In point of fact, unconditionally defending either of them is a very good litmus test for “idiot”–again, in the same way that unconditionally defending Der Trihs or any of the other truly idiotic liberals would be.
He was also an admirer of Austrian economics, which is a libertarian way of thinking. A different flavor from John Mace, but still not a conservative.
Der Trihs is actually a good example. I refrained from bringing him up as a counter-example because I think he fully believes what he says and there’s no trolling or snark whatsoever. But he’s a good example of when a lefty says something that’s over the line, not everyone immediately rushes to his defense and backs up everything he says.
Of course “over the line” is different from the sort of lying, trolling, stupid bullshit that started this thread. But the point stands - SA and Shodan and Clothahump and that whole retarded crew will stick up for each other no matter how stupid one of them is being, whereas there’s no one always coming to the unconditional aid of der trihs.
This is central to the conservative meme about the “liberal media”. The partisan right wing has very thin skin regarding criticism of their arguments. So any time they take some stick for any of they outlandish positions, they cry “Foul”, even when the same media outlets pick apart democrats and liberal talking points. There is no “liberal media”; conservatives just see it that way because they regard any criticism as unwarranted, thus unfair. That fact that both sides get criticized in irrelevant to them; if conservatives come under fire, it is unfair.
You are the embodiment of that meme on this board; any criticism is an attack, and must be met with some content free snark. After a while, it fails to even register; just more mindless prattling from Shodan, keep scrolling. You’ve gone to the that well way too often to ever be taken seriously on the merits of anything you have to say.
Ass Horn,
Graded
Pff. Der Trihs actually makes an effort at substantiation on occasion. You want an analogy, look to Lobohan. Fucker reminds me of a spider monkey gleefully dancing on the sidelines and flinging shit, even when it’s the conservative side that has a point. He taunts and sneers and never has anything worthwhile to say that couldn’t be said by anyone else.
Um, well, I don’t know about that (the first part, not the second). I rarely see anyone, right or left, endorse Starving_Artist’s peculiar interpetations of recent history. That endless Joe Paterno thread is notable for being one of the rare occasions when a couple of people express support for one of his views, but other than that I’m not coming up with much.
Pretty much the same for Clothahump. In his case, so much of what he says regarding politics is so hilariously misinformed that even the most blind, deaf partisan apparently realizes that supporting him would be like backing up Emily Litella.
Shodan, as we’ve seen in this thread, actually does get some support from the local chapter of the right-wing echo chamber. It’s sad, really; I actually think he could formulate an argument and hold a tenable position if he could be arsed to do so, and even accomplishes this on occasion. Unfortunately, sometime back he apparently decided being the most colossal, flaming asshole he could possibly be was the somehow the way to convince others of the correctness of a given position. Reading posts by others referring to someone who is so relentlessly hostile and abusive as ‘a nice guy’, I’ve got to admit, made me Let’s got to the…I mean, laugh out loud. Who knows, maybe IRL he routinely helps little old ladies across the street (no doubt while haranguing them about the many evils of liberalism), but here he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time inadvertantly convincing people that he’s a woodenheaded jerk.