So admit you didn’t know what the word “defacto” means and ignored people who proved you wrong when you wouldn’t back down.
Regards,
-Rogerbox
Well if they won’t shut Bo up with his stupid quarry shit, they’ve got no grounds to touch us if we start a movement.
If you want, grab your favorite from http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14705941&postcount=152
Ass Horn,
Graded
I’ve watched some of the zillions of Republican primary debates this year and all of them claim to be conservatives, and they have a very high correlation of retarded lying scumbags. Granted Huntsman may not be an actual scumbag (but her sure as hell doesn’t speak Chinese fluently), and Gingrich might not be retarded, but he sure as hell is a scumbag and a liar. It’s not a complete Venn overlap, but close enough.
Shodan isn’t the problem. Modern conservatism is the problem. Modern conservatives are scumbags appealing with lies to the retarded.
One of my beefs with Republicans has been their history of whipping up hatred. From the late 40s to the 50s they did the red scare, and in the modern era we have Gingrich using the most hostile words he can find about the opposition, people that want to make the world a better place.
I don’t think Shodan is a Gingrich style asshole. He doesn’t engage in highly personal attacks on his opponents. Yeah, his stuff is simple and sometimes a bit disingenuous, but not really pit worthy. IMHO.
So that’s why you stopped posting here?
You’re not one of the serious people. You’re an advocate of fringe-economic whackado and much of your posting was an attempt to evangelize your views.
You know, somehow Lobohan was off my radar all this time, but I guess I’m starting to see it.
For some reason people with user names beginning with L rarely stand out to me. I get them all mixed up.
It’s helpful to picture me as a furry wolf version of Han Solo.
Anyone else remember Sam stone posts as particularly laden with cites at any point? I sure as hell don’t, but my biases may be coloring my recollections.
It’s a testable assertion in any event.
Eta: and Sam, that thing you’re referring to was the fact that you made a demonstrably false claim around 2003, but took seven fucking years to own up to it. I’m not surprised that you are back to misrepresenting it now. Paragon of intellectual honesty indeed.
As ridiculous as anything Shodan’s ever said. Perhaps you could describe aspects of the Tea Party and Republican Party leadership fairly in such a manner, but only aspects thereof.
I do remember your hardon for him, so I can confirm that part of the story.
I would say more cited than average.
Yes, I do.
Not consciously, of course; but AFAIK, you’ve never attacked anyone on the left for their rhetoric, no matter how inane. You have, however, started several threads about people or groups with whom you disagree. Thus, the logical-considering-human-nature assumption seems to be borne out. Feel free to provide conflicting data.
All of the nominal “respected intelligent conservatives” named in this thread – Sam Stone, Martin Hyde, Bricker – have been pitted way more than any of the obnoxious brain-dead liberals you want to name. Hell, I’d reckon Bricker has been pitted more often than any ten liberals you want to name outside Diogenes. Obvious nimrods like Hentor and Lobohan, not so much.
That’s the environment you’re posting in.
Ripping on Shodan (who has already been pitted umpteen times before) no doubt feels good to you, and certainly provides pile-on opportunities to the kind of people that dig that kind of thing. But it’s not going to make him change, and it’s not going to persuade anyone that your real concern is brainless idiocy, regardless of position.
People like John Mace are respected because they have been willing to challenge people on their own side when they say stupid things. If you want to be seen as similarly non-partisan, do the same, or at least just avoid wrestling in the mud altogether.
QF motherfuckin’ T
De facto means in fact, or in reality. That’s what I was arguing all along - reality. In fact, in reality, English is the language used in the United States. You can’t function very well in most parts of the country without fluency in English, our laws are published in English, the deliberations of our legislatures are in English, etc., etc.
The problem was that you were confused about the meaning of the word de jure.
It was an instance of the kind of time-wasting nitpick the SDMB gets bogged down in sometimes. People would rather nitpick than debate.
Regards,
Shodan
Read the OP of this thread. Explain to me, then, how what he said was reasonable and does not deserve the scorn I’m giving it.
I’ve pitted two people in all my time on the boards, and one was a “wtf” towards someone acting psycholotically towards me.
In the other Snowboard Bo active pit thread currently, I’m giving him a lot of shit. For a similar reason - threadshitting all over the place.
I made a pit thread about how much I fucking hate anti-nuclear idiots … that’s not strictly a left/right issue, but anti-nuke activism is seen as a leftist thing, is it not?
One of my first pit threads was actually a rant about the TV show the West Wing being a bunch of obnoxiously insidious liberal propoganda…
I really haven’t done much in the way of starting pit threads, so I don’t know what you’re expecting.
I guess. I wonder if their relative scarcity increases how well they’re known. I get a lot of the not particularly insightful liberal debators mixed up a lot because they’re kind of forgetable, whereas their right wing opponents tend to be a lot more distinct in posting style and more involved in the argument.
Martin Hyde was last pitted 6 years ago FWIW, at least based on a search of his name.
I’d really like to search more but with 2 minutes between searches it’s taking forever to gather data. But… even so, you admit that Dio gets as pitted more than anyone. If everything is purely partisan tribalism, how would this liberal bastion dare attack one of their own?
He won’t change, he’s incapable of it. But why wouldn’t it persuade anyone that my real concern is brainless idiocy? In my OP I laid out a specific instance, typical of his behavior, of the sort of thing I’m pitting. And none of it involved politics directly. I wasn’t saying “Shodan is evil because he hates poor people!”, I was saying “Shodan thread shit by misrepresenting people’s arguments with puzzling non-sequitors”. Not only that, but he came after me personally by insisting on specifically misrepresenting my position.
I have no idea why this is where you want to make a stand on this. Shodan was clearly threadshitting, and doing so in a way that’s a good example of his typical behavior pattern. It’s hard to believe you don’t agree on that count.
It sounds to me like you’re essentially saying “Sure, Shodan threadshit there. Sure, he threadshits a lot. Sure he might’ve gone after you personally in that thread. Sure, your pitting made no reference to his politics and only his posting behavior. But this is really about your feelings on his politics”
First, the left isn’t “my side”, I have no connection or loyalty to them. Whatever overlap we have in positions is coincidental. Do you need examples of where I single handedly took on all the liberals on the board over an issue? This would qualify. Or the nuke thing, if you view nukes as a left/right issue.
I don’t know if you’re making assumptions about me as some sort of generic lefty, but your criticisms of me don’t match up with my behavior very well.
Ass Horn,
Graded
In my recollection, the most frequent and virulent pittings of Dio came when his obstinancy was expressed on a subject counter to the established liberal orthodoxy.
No, it came when he was being a completely obstinate douchebag about something. They weren’t pitting him for violating some sacred liberal oath, they were pitting him for being a thread hijacking jackass. I’m pitting Shodan not for being conservative, but for being a fucking thread hijacking lying douchebag. And coming after me personally too. I mean what the fuck else can someone do to justify a pitting?
Really, it’s all laid out in the OP. His behavior is so amazingly stupid and shitty that it boggles my mind that anyone can seriously try to pull some phanton conservative persecution from it.
I don’t know that that’s the case. He got pitted for his irrationally strict views on underage sex for instance. I think it’s when he got into a “no, X” spin and would repeat himself.
Of course, I’m open to evidence you may have otherwise.
I disagree. Shodan made a mistake in that thread, and then didn’t back down. That’s not the same thing as threadshitting.
IOW, I doubt if he considered at the time he posted that the OP was not as closely tied to charitable deductions as he thought it was.
I Pitted him at least once for being a bit too sure of the outcome of an election that his side lost. Although, to be fair, there were a certain number of attempts to turn it into attacks on me, but they never amounted to much.
Regards,
Shodan
Yeah, but they were generally pretty scatter-shot – not all were on point and not all said what he claimed they said.
For example, when arguing whether the US stimulus helped or hurt, he dumped a bunch of URLS, of which some were on-point but did not unequivocally prove his point, several were partisan opinion pieces, and one was a discussion of the Canadian stimulus package of about the same time period.
If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, it’s possible that Sam actually had cites to back up his argument and just didn’t take a lot of time to carefully document them for later reference. Or maybe he just Googled the subject at hand and grabbed a bunch of URLs.
In any event, the posts had the appearance of being carefully researched and cited, but the substance wasn’t there.