I’m approaching 80 now and the world I knew (thought I knew) is gone. My children will have to live in it. There is a huge problem here which we can’t define. I’m wondering if he did lose the election what we would do if he just refused to leave the White house and give up his power. Since his status would have changed could the police just cart him away, screaming it’s all a lie? Where would we put him? Meanwhile I just hope there is some brave person out there who is willing to make a movie (we do all have that in common) that depicts the likely outcome if Trump is re-elected. by the way what is massively scary is that his children are being groomed for future politics. Like China, we’ll live under a monarchy. He wants to be a weird Bush or a Kennedy. I had such faith in Democracy and it turns out it relies on everyone following the rules. And then along comes this guy who only follows his rules. Due to the virus China has lifted tariffs. I guess he’s take credit for that as well. My mother used to tell me that people believe what you say, not what you do. The bottom line is that a fair and safe way of life only exists temporarily, until the others think they are right and you are wrong. The technique Trump uses. That’s why I think that other civilizations have ended in war and bloodshed. It’s inevitable. We are a young nation and the dream we had in the beginning is already starting to fade. In the end, one side will decide we have to kill him and that’s how it begins.
Er, a bit rambly there, but as to your first question, if he refused to leave the white house the secret service would escort him out. Most likely they’d put him in a limo and escort him to his hotel. (They can’t just throw him to the curb because they’re supposed to guard past presidents, even garbage ones.)
One solid chance for getting rid of Trump would be if Christian leaders across the board would finally start reading their own holy books and highlight the many points where Trump comes up short in the morality and ethics departments.
I mean, really, he pisses all over the notion and intent of a National Prayer Breakfast, and no one who was there says boo about it?
Yeah, I know that’s not going to happen because he happens to have an ® next to his name and pays lip service to the anti-abortion zealots, but still.
We’ve had threads on this before. Trump’s “refusal” would mean absolutely zilch. He loses power at precisely noon on Inauguration Day of the next president. Secret Service would physically drag him out of the White House.
Trump “refusing” would be like an inmate in prison "declaring,’ “I’m free! I’m free!”
They don’t care that he comes up short in the morality and ethic departments as long as he nominates Federal and Supreme Court judges that will support their dream of an evangelical theocracy.
If you can convince the Republican party that Trump lost and convince them it’s in their own best interest to accept the results of the election, you’re correct.
However, what the OP is really wondering is, if the available results indicated that Trump lost the election, would he and his party necessarily acknowledge that fact, or would they try to create an alternative universe in which they can keep him past his expiration date?
It’s actually an important when you consider the alternative reality that Republicans have created to defend the president against impeachment, and when you consider that the president has shredded the separation of powers. He’s refused to comply with congressional subpoenas. He’s refused to turn over his tax returns in absolute, incontrovertible violation of a 1920s law that was enacted for precisely the situation that congress has been in. And of course, we just finished an impeachment trial without witnesses and with claims of virtually unlimited executive privilege. The president is behaving as he pleases, and more importantly, he has people in power who are helping him do it.
It’s absolutely reasonable to wonder if he’ll follow the normal protocols of a peaceful transition of power.
You’re assumption is that he, his entire party, the right wing fake news factory, and millions of his rabid voters accept the fact that he lost a free and fair election.
I wouldn’t make that assumption based on everything we’ve seen to date.
It’s the dismantling of America. A death by a thousand Republican cuts, the victim unconscious when the end finally comes.
If Trump refuses to leave office, but he does it because he believes It is in the best interest of the country, then it’s legal.