Quite, what also often happens is that those with a belief in a specific god, and with morality that they ground in that specific god, think that an atheist must be unable to hold the same moral standards. Or worse, that they must hold to the *opposite * or none.
Tell me you are a “theist” and I have no idea what sort of person you are without asking further questions. The same is true of atheists.
If you don’t positively have a belief in a god then you are an atheist. your link does nothing to argue otherwise.
I actually do tend towards the opinion in that link. That the concepts of gods as typically defined (or more often not defined) are so incoherent as to be impossible to respond to coherently. Therefore I am unable to accept that incoherent proposition as true. Therefore I am clearly an atheist.
It is far more depressing to think we’re here to serve a specific purpose. I can’t imagine that purpose is spending hours every day staring into various screens, and yet that is what I do with much of my time. So if I thought I was here for a Very Important Purpose, I would be in a constant state of angst and guilt. I felt an enormous weight lift off my shoulders once I allowed myself to appreciate how small and insignificant I am in the big scheme of things. Small insignificant things are allowed to be mediocre fuck-ups. Big important things must be fully operational and damn-near perfect.
Also, it’s depressing to think that how we spend eternity is determined by a very tiny snapshot in time. It is nice not having to worry about the afterlife so I can just concentrate on how I’m going to get through the day in one piece.
I would find it more depressing to believe in a god who sits on his hands and watches people getting brutalized in ways I don’t really want to think about this morning.
Nothing?
“It is asserted by Steven J. Conifer that to be a positive atheist, one who not only lacks a belief in gods but who furthermore denies that gods exist, is to give credence to the existence of a concept of something for God to refer to, because it assumes that there is something understandable to not believe in.”
That’s not nothing.
No, you shouldn’t do that. That’s acknowledging the argument is coherent, but wrong. Incoherent arguments don’t have truth values.
Basically, if you say you’re an atheist, you’re buying into meaningless gibberish, is what we’re saying.
I may not be a theist, but I’m not “an atheist”, any more than I’m an “aWnigooglllist”, and for the same reason. Arguing Religion is like Nuclear War, the only winning move is not to play.
I’m a theist leaning towards christian. I don’t see what’s depression about the atheist view, that everything is over when we die? That doesn’t seem any worse then millions of people will be tortured for all eternity or that you will spend all eternity worshiping at the feet of a deity.
What if you do not say that your are an atheist yet still do not believe in the existence of deities? Into what are you buying? Because most atheists spend all day, every day not thinking about it. Most atheists do not even feel the need to call themselves any particular thing.
I don’t see what that has to do with my atheism. I don’t make a claim that god doesn’t exist.
there is no need for the quotes. If you are not a theist, you are an atheist, that really is as simple as it gets.
Remember, being an atheist is not the same as saying any given god *doesn’t *exist. It is only the position that you do not have that belief. For the former you indeed would need to be given a coherent enough explanation to be able to have an opinion. For the latter it is merely enough that a case hasn’t been made. That may be through incoherence or lack of evidence or some other reason.
I don’t think it’s inherently more depressing than a theistic one. Either depends on what you build around/on it. No one has a world view that is fully described by theistic vs. atheistic.
Let’s see: People who believe in a deity think certain people are doomed to hell, that you better be good cause someone is watching you and will send you to eternal damnation if you don’t do exactly what the deity says.
Atheists and the others who don’t believe in a deity, don’t know if there even is a deity, and wouldn’t worship one if deity there be believe people are good and how good you are determines what happens if you die, if anything. They are willing to admit they don’t know how we got here or where we are going.
I have always found it problematic that we are supposed to sit around and kiss god’s ass all day everyday, and if we kiss it good enough, we get to go to the special place where we are forced to kiss god’s ass for the rest of eternity.
What kind of being wants and/or needs this kind of sycophancy and why should it be worshipped?
Because of extortion. The threat is that is we don’t kiss his ass while we are here, then instead of gottig to kiss his ass for eternity, we get tortured for eternity.