And how is it that this shooter(s) set up, fired, and fled without being seen, despite the fact that many vantage points in Dealey Plaza (for example, the pergola where Zapruder and others stood) have a clear view of anything going on behind the fence atop the grassy knoll?
How many people here have actually been in Dealey Plaza? The “grassy knoll” is not a wilderness. It’s a slight rise that’s completely open to view. There’s no place on it where a person could hide from view.
And that fence is a parking lot that was full of people on the day Kennedy was driving by. There was no place to hide out of sight there either.
I’ve never fired any shots in Dealey Plaza. But I’ve heard that its acoustics create echoes. If somebody had been shooting from the School Book Depository, echoes would sound like they were coming from the direction of the grassy knoll.
I’ve been to Dealey Plaza a few times, and stood on the “X” painted in the road, looking back at the School Book Depository.
It’s a pot shot, plain and simple. It looks like maybe 50-75 yards, which is so close that high-powered rifles won’t need any elevation adjustments.
Unsurprisingly, the Macadams site previously cited has dealt with the acoustic evidence from 2001.
Regards,
Shodan
I’ve been there, as have countless other people who don’t believe this nonsense.
A pro baseball player would have no trouble throwing a ball from the X into the relevant window at the Book Repository. It isn’t far; any fielder could hit that target over and over. Even I could make the distance; but not the accuracy without a lot of practice. Standing on the X with a rifle it’d be trivial to knock out each window pane in turn. Panes about the size of a human torso.
And as others have said in umpteen threads, there’s nowhere to hide on the grassy knoll or the fenced area behind it which was covered with spectators. Any shooter there would have been standing shoulder to shoulder amongst other spectators.
Now, now LSLGuy. Let’s not allow common sense and plain logic get in the way of a quality conspiracy theory.
If enough of those spectators were really “spectators” it would all fit the CT perfectly. OMG, I’ve cracked the case!! :eek::smack::eek:
Ok, this article lays the thing to rest for me and debunks the whole notion of a grassy knoll shooter.
http://www.jfk-assassination.net/acoustic.htm
“The “acoustic evidence” got a boost in 2001, when a scientist named D.B. Thomas published an article claiming to have corrected the statistical treatment in earlier studies and found clear evidence of a shot from the Grassy Knoll. However, a recent careful study of the timing on the events on the tape by Michael O’Dell vindicates the discovery of Steve Barber and the position of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics — that the “shots” happened to late to actually be shots. Thus the “acoustic evidence” was to acoustic science what cold fusion was to physics: an example of how even reputable scientists can jump to conclusions when faced with the possibility of an “explosive” discovery.”
Wonder…you could build a “debunker shooting range”. It would contain a plywood building with just the 6th floor moderately detailed, it would have a cardboard cutout on a moving mockup of the car, and you’d have a rifle. Can YOU make the same shot?
I guess people would see it the wrong way, since the point of the range wouldn’t be to glorify assassination, just prove that almost anyone could make the shot.
I remember reading something by Tom Clancy about the FBI has a replica of the 6th story window and street outside. Tom got to shoot and said the shot was trivially easy to make.
Setting aside the issue that you can’t successfully use logic to debunk an illogical position …
The folks who hang their conspiracy hat on the shot(s) being implausibly difficult are usually people who’ve never shot a gun. Even if your simulator existed, folks like that would usually demonstrate accurately that *they *couldn’t make the shot. And if you employed some docents who could make the shot, they’d be discounted by the rubes as experts who get to practice it every day for all the months they worked there. And who needed gosh knows how much secret practice offstage beforehand to master the mad skillz required.
Conversely, anyone who’s ex-military or a rifle hunter pretty quickly gets the idea it isn’t hard when you tell them the task: Hit a man-sized target moving more or less straight away from you at a jogging pace from 60 yards shooting downhill with a clear line of sight. Fire a round, cycle the action, aim and fire a second, cycle the action, aim and fire a third at about the pace you just read those words. Hit two for three.
“OK sure, I could do that” is the immediate reaction of damn near anyone who’s run more than a hundred rounds through a rifle in their life. Those CTers will hang their hat on CIA or mob involvement, magic bullets, etc.
It’s not exactly a simulator but as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
Here is the view Oswald had and the red dot is the location of JFK.
With a scoped rifle it is a trivially easy shot for someone already familiar with shooting a rifle and there’s a pretty good chance someone who just picked one up for the first time could hit it.
Who was/is Renfield?
That’s who I thought he was, but it didn’t match, in my mind, the expressive description by Derleth of a CT.
I guess, but my proposed range would be open to the general public. Presumably if thousands of people have shown up to the range, made the shots, and gone home, maybe the CTs would realize that it’s no big deal. Maybe a few of them would even go through the “rifle shootin’ for dummies” course that would be part of the exhibit, make the shots themselves, and realize how easy it was.
Take your best shot, Tex.
3D simulator available for free download. (not for the feint of heart.)
My friends and I did this, very roughly, out in a back field, with a wagon towed by a long (!) rope with a big ol’ punkin’ in the wagon. I had a lever-action hunting rifle, without even using a scope. The wagon was at approximately the distance (although on the same level) as JFK’s limo was from the book warehouse window.
Easy peasy. I got three out of three.
This ain’t “American Sniper.”
Because it does not match, and in fact is invalidated by, the other physical evidence.
The “grassy knoll shooter” theory stems almost entirely from the faulty belief that JFK was shot from the front, snapping his head backwards. Since LHO was well behind the target, he could not have fired a shot from in front… hence the elaborate and absolutely unsustainable idea that there was a shooter on the knoll or behind the fence.
Problem is, of course, that JFK’s head was blown apart from a shot to the occipital region (the back) and the head motion is no mystery to anyone with battlefield experience. There’s thus no need to factor in some mythical, unnecessary “shooter in front.”
Unless you just want to say there WAS some second shooter whose entire purpose was to make a BANG! noise from that location, without contributing anything else at all to the situation or scenario. In which case I’d like you to explain how Oswald’s shots got through the invisible UFO hovering closely over the presidential limo. Hmm?
This is more or less what I’ve meant by my prior comments. “Disaffected young political contrarian with some deep grudges” is pretty much all that’s needed to explain why Oswald did it… but even his own writings don’t really point to such extreme behavior as two assassination attempts, one spectacularly significant and successful. That he appears to have had no plan, not even to run in panic, after pulling the trigger is extremely odd… and IMHO it would be interesting if he’d said or written anything to give us insight into that aimless behavior.
Although again, just plain shock explains quite a bit. See John D. McDonald’s little parable about the dead grackle.