Is the real health care disaster yet to come?

I think this falls into the same category as all those people who said that if Clinton (or Bush) were elected, they’d renounced their citizenship and move abroad. Yeah, sure…

For one thing, what would all these doctors do for income? A very few can become private doctors to very rich client-patients. But there aren’t that many Michael Jacksons out there. (And Michael Jackson learned the hard way that having a private doctor is not a certain road to good medical care!)

Also: is denying medical care to millions of people a good way to make a political point? Is it supposed to make us all say, “Oh, gosh, yes, we must elect Republicans now, who will fix things the way they used to be?” Do the Republicans have an alternative plan to offer that will actually provide care to people? So far, all of their efforts seem to be to deny care to people, and this boycott (if it develops, and I’m betting it won’t) is just one example.

You have this mistaken idea that Obamacare policies constitute a huge percentage of the market.

It’s not a political point. It’s simply “you don’t pay me enough, I won’t work for you”.

So, if obamacare is a rousing success does that make it that much harder to get single payer healthcare? Cause ultimately that is where we need to end up, this was just supposed to be a step in that direction. It seems like having near universal insurance coverage might take away any urgency from making that happen.

DigitalC: yes, ultimately, if Obamacare works well, it will take longer for the U.S. to move to a fully nationalized system. But…that’s kind of okay. If “half measures” work well enough, they’re acceptable. That’s the nature of the U.S.: half-assed compromises are how we do things at our best!

Good governance involves seeing a problem and addressing it with an effort at remediation.

The U.S. sees a problem, and waits forty years, before slapping a patch over it and declaring victory. It’s our glory.

Many tens of thousands of people have already enrolled in Covered California, and that’s just one state.

Yes, and I am sure those tens of thousands of people will be thrilled when they find out that 70% of doctors they call don’t accept Obamacare. And will be really thankful to Democrats.

I already know that my doctor accepts the plan I chose. That’s enough for me.

Also, one of the participating insurers in Covered California is Kaiser Permanente. They were several of my choices when I signed up for a plan last week. They must employ thousands of doctors all by themselves, who clearly will now accept their own plans.

When the alternative is no insurance, being able to see 30% of doctors sounds quite nice.

They don’t have to call, they can just look on the insurance provider’s website. There are hundreds of doctors within 20 miles who accept plans approved for Obamacare, all accepting new patients.

I know, the slogans just write themselves, don’t they?

I know. Seven pediatricians in the county should be enough for everyone. Or nine dermatologists, most 100 miles away. Way better than nothing, right? As I said, the slogans just write themselves.

Tiered health care - first class for some, second class for Obamacare enrollees. Brought to you by Democrats.

An interesting take from this doctor named David Belk, claims some considerable expertise in different models of health care systems. He is dong questions and answers at this website called “Readit” or something like that. Struck especially by this answer to a question about which nation’s health care system works best.

There’s too much material to quote at any reasonable length, so I offer the link and encourage. Joe Bob 'luc says “Check it out!”

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1sbwz8/i_am_david_belk_im_a_doctor_who_has_spent_years/

That 70% number is likely a RW media lie that got mistaken for a fact.

Why not wait a few days to see if the talking point stands up to scrutiny?

I’m thankful to Democrats already, for the end of the “pre-existing conditions” bar. As can quip about the slogans (although you use slogans a lot yourself) but the fact is, I can get insurance now, and couldn’t before the ACA.

Meanwhile, I blame the Republicans for constantly trying to sabotage this.

I’ve been searching, trying to find a rebuttal, but so far, all I see are articles stating it as if factual. I’m sure a good researcher could find the point of origin, and I’m pretty doggone sure it’s RW garbage.

And, besides, it just doesn’t work on the face of it. It’s like imagining that a grocery store would boycott customers who are on food stamps. Yeah? You’re going to turn away that much money? You’re going to develop a negative public image? Absurd. It doesn’t happen.

To be blunt, it sounds like Benghazi-gate all over again.

He also has his own website and has been blogging at HuffPost too. I have not read it all, but it seems worth a read.

Pretty damning take on US health care, reformed or not.

One thing to bear in mind is that there is not one single “Obamacare” plan. There are lots of plans, offered by different companies, with different premiums and different benefits. Not every doctor necessarily wants to participate with every plan. But that doesn’t mean they want to “boycott” Obamacare overall.

For example, in my own case I want to keep my doctor and the medical group he belongs to. So I went to their web site and it listed the Obamacare (actually Covered California) plans they accept. There were still enough for a reasonable selection of plans, and I was able to make sure that I got to keep my doctor.

So if someone first chooses a plan and then wants to keep their doctor they may be out of luck. But if they go they other way around they should find a plan that will work for them – at least in my experience.

Funny how that is an outrage with dermatologists, but not abortion providers…

Inferior healthcare is better than no healthcare at all.

Another great election slogan for Democrats. Run with it.