Where are the Obamacare horror stories?

After six months, I’m puzzled by how vanishingly rare this is: someone who had insurance in 2013, learned their plan was ending or their premiums were going up, and successfully accessed the exchange but found only plans that covered less, cost more, or both.

Even if you think ACA is good overall, you’d expect it to be worse for someone. And it’s not the “liberal media,” because there are people actively looking for horror stories – but all they seem to find are people who just assumed they would do worse and didn’t bother checking, or are rejecting plans created for the PPACA and the exchanges for ideological reasons.

I have heard of one possibly legitimate horror story: liberal editorial cartoonist Jen Sorensen mentions in passing that she has a friend whose premiums went up. But no others.

Oh, freelancers that can do business on their own thanks to the ACA.

The horror, the horror. :wink:

I wonder when the horror of realizing how mindless the opposition to this was will come to some, and when will the ones that opposed the ACA realize that people are actually getting more freedom in the end. If the cartoonist had found the problems early and if there had been no ACA it is very likely that she would had been another job lock prisoner.

At least one poster on this board said that although she had been, and remained, an Obama supporter, she was in exactly that boat.

When you say you’ve heard only one story…have you been searching for them, or are you just relating that you haven’t happened to overhear any such stories?

With all of the effort and expense being spent on finding real horror stories, you’d think that they could find at least one that holds up.

I’ve been keeping an eye out, but I admit I haven’t been actively looking. That is, I have no real need to find one, I just can’t believe there are (nearly) none out there

That’s how I see it. That’s why I’d think keeping an eye out should be sufficient.

At this point, if Fox News reported a horror story, would we believe it? They’ve kinda blown their credibility, after all.

Me. My premium just went up almost 25%. I got on the CA website and purchased another, less expensive policy (that is, pretty much what I was paying before), but it was no where near as good. Deductible is higher, co-pays are higher.

A quick search found this Washington Post story, which describes:

Although this is aggregate data, it supports the inference that the uninsured are not using the system as was predicted.

But it does not address what you asked for: someone who was insured, but had to pay higher rates with the ACA, and a specific example rather than aggregate data.

How about Emilie Lamb?

Well, there is this lawsuit in Nevada. According to the complaint Larry Basich’ paperwork was handled so badly by the exchange that despite the fact he paid his premium no insurer is actually willing to cover his substantial medical bills.

His attorney states he has been contacted by about 40 others in a similar situation - premium paid but no coverage. Curiously, the same attorney is quoted as saying, " This has nothing to do with the ACA. This is 100 percent about Xerox, who won the bid from the state of Nevada to create this exchange. And they’ve failed. They absolutely failed."

Of course the entire reason the exchange came into existence was the PPACA. Without it, no exchange and no snafu with Xerox. Of course there could be a similar paperwork mess without involving the exchanges but the complexity of the exchange seem to be an issue in this case.

Not the whole story.

With any change as sweeping as the PPACA I would be shocked if there were no success stories or no horror stories. There are gonna be winners and losers. Some will win big and others will lose big - but probably most won’t see such a huge change that it would be headline worthy.

GIGObuster, the OP basically asked for anecdotes.

Here’s what I read from the OP:

This is a plan that cost more, which meets the condition the OP requested.

You are pointing out that the plan costs more but also covers more.

Correct?

The excerpt from the WaPo story talks about people who assume they can’t afford it; it doesn’t say whether they are correct in this assumption.

As for Ms. Lamb, she chose the second-costliest plan available to her, apparently because she says her total costs are lowest on it. Be that as it may, that is indeed a horror story, though mitigated if she’s paying less overall – premiums and co-pays – than she was previously, something PolitiFact really can’t determine. But assuing she’s not, that fits the description.

Yes, but that does not stop others from pointing at the context.

Did you ever have a premium increase before Obamacare?

I envy your 25% increase.

The op has got to be kidding about this question. It’s easy enough to google health insurance premium increases.

My insurance, via my husband’s job, actually changed in 2013 “to comply with Obamacare” and while it may be better insurance for some, it’s not for us.

So yes the new, ACA-compliant plan cost more and covered less.

The company came out with a chart showing that, what with lower premiums, we would not spend any more out of pocket than we had been. And I can well believe that might be true if you were a person who took it to the max every year. But what happened is that we used to pay whatever it was for insurance, which was deducted pre-tax from the pay, and when we had to go to the doctor or an ER (and we have a teenager, so ER every year) it was a copay that was very reasonable. Now, it’s the whole amount until we hit our deductible limit, and then it’s 80% until we hit some other limit, so what used to be a $15 copay becomes a $180 dr. visit and what used to be a $50 ER copay becomes a $7000 bill, which gets halved because that’s what the ER hospital negotiated with the insurance co.

Now the other thing is that if you look at it, our premium actually went up because one of us passed an age barrier. You could say that would have happened without Obamacare, and you would be right.

So the result of this is that now my husband, who is old enough, is on Medicare and pays $100 a month for something additional (you know, after having $$ deducted for Medicare from every paycheck in his life), my son is on a policy of about $150 a month that pays for NOTHING until he hits the deductible–and (this really cheeses me off) it’s $50 a month more because he’s honest; one of the questions is if he has used nicotine in the past 6 months, they asked this in November and he and his buddies bought a pack of cigarettes after a 21-day backpacking trip in July–along with a bunch of junk food and soda–so yes, he had some nicotine within the last six months.

At any rate, the threat of having to pay $$ is certainly keeping us all out of doctor’s offices. And by that I mean that two out of the three of us are actively avoiding them.

Sadly, the health care that we do use often does not even count toward the deductible. If I go to get my annual eye exam and see the optometrist and not the ophthalmologist, it does not count. The cost of my contact lenses does not count. The eye drops I use are no longer on the insurance co.'s formulary and they are outrageous (but the eye dr. gives me a couple of samples), but I think it does count toward the deductible…I’m not sure. My son’s acupuncture does not count (and don’t get me started on whether it works because I don’t think so, but I’m not the one being stuck here, except for the $$). Mental health care does not count on a dollar-for-dollar basis. There is some formula. Everything is full pay out of pocket when it used to be copays.

So yeah, higher premiums + higher cost for care = less care. I am way not happier with my current insurance. Paying more, getting less. I assume that low-income people are now getting more or are getting subsidized, and that things are working well for them.

Nothing in the ACA has addressed the reasons for the higher costs, but this attitude is very typical in this country (e.g., let’s make seat belts mandatory, let’s put in airbags, let’s make cars that survive crashes better, not let’s make safer highways, educate drivers, and pull bad drivers off the road even if they’re not drunk). In fact the ACA looks like it will contribute to higher costs.

here’s a video of Obama repeatedly stating it would decrease premiums. Here’s the reality of his program. 41% average increase.

Not to mention businesses who cap employee hours at 30 to avoid the extra cost of the insurance. Those would be the people at the lower end of the earnings scale who can least afford a cut in their hours.

I worked in small business health insurance before I was laid off. Around half of the policies renewing on 1/1 received a decrease and another 30% or so had roughly the same increase they had been getting the previous 8 years or so. Yes, a few people had 40% or so increases, but it was less than 1% of the renewing policies. Those high end increases were mostly due to rating changing from a family total to each person being rated on their own.

Here’s my horror story. I have several patients who are the working poor, earning close to minimum wage. This puts them below the poverty limit. Because I live in Virginia, there is no expansion of medicaid for low wage earners. Since there are no subsidies below the poverty line (since these people were supposed to have been covered by expanded medicaid) these patients who previously had no insurance and paid for medical care out of pocket now have a choice. They can pay approximately $500 monthly (not possible on a minimum wage income) to get coverage or pay the penalty. Therefore, they are in exactly the same place they were in before Obamacare with no coverage and paying out of pocket but they now have to pay an additional penalty for not having insurance, Granted, this is because the Republicans screwed everybody, but to my patients they only see that they are getting nothing new plus paying a penalty.