Is the Romney candidacy an LDS Mission Call?

Politics & Elections
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‘Romney did not want to win’

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=romney%20son%20did%20not%20want%20to%20be%20president&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2Fblogs%2Fpolitics%2F2012%2F12%2Fmitt-romney-didnt-want-to-be-president-son-claims%2F&ei=etjYUKO7LMSHrAGeooGAAQ&usg=AFQjCNEkryb4AkyZt3Z-yT1gMYlHSrT61w

So, perhaps it was a Mission Call after all.

Crane

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If you read the article, his son never says he didn’t want to win. He says he didn’t want to run.

If it was a mission, wouldn’t he have wanted to win? What’s the point of a call to run and not win?

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Not at all.

Romney may have responded aggressively to the Mission Call, believing that God would make it happen, but still not wanting to win.

It was mentioned that George Romney did not want to be President. His attempt at a candidacy may also have been a Mission Call. Especially in light of the fact that he was not eligible due to his foreign birth.

Crane

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Mormons do not believe the Church to be the Kingdom of God, everything is the Kingdom of God, not just the Church.

We don’t currently follow the law of consecration. The church tried that and it failed because people were too selfish to share, so it’s an ideal but unrealized law.

Also, the idea of Jesus coming and governing the earth will not happen until the Second Coming and the leadership will be set up then, not before. The above reference is either an intentional twisting of Church doctrine to fit a certain bias or a serious misinterpretation of the reality of Church Doctrine, because that is absolutely not what it means.

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Which brings us back to the question of whether the Mission Call thing even matters. But he ran and acted like he wanted to win and did all the things a candidate who was trying to win would have done. The fact that one of his sons says otherwise after the election is already over doesn’t matter.

His parents were U.S. citizens, so he probably would have been eligible. The question wasn’t resolved because he dropped out, of course.

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Marley,

The brain wash thing was really odd. I wanted George Romney to run and would have voted for him, but never got the chance.

Just reread the Constitution on the foreign born issue. The wording is strained, but it looks like citizenship is enough.

Crane

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April R,

According to Mormon Doctrine:

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as it is now constituted is the Kingdom of God on Earth”

Mormon Doctrine - Bruce R. McConkie pg 415

Crane

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While that book is full of interesting opinion of one very smart man, it is not Church sanctioned, and is not promoted or stamped with the official seal of Church approval for Doctrinal literature, so quote from McConkie’s text all you want, it is simply his interpretation not the official Church stance on most things.

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Yup. Bruce McConkie was only an Apostle, sustained in General Conference every six months as a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator. So if he publishes a book called Mormon Doctrine, there’s no reason to think he speaks of actual Mormon doctrine.

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It’s still just his interpretation of Church teachings. It is up to interpretation and debate. It was not commissioned by the Church in his duty as a Quorum member, and it is not stated to be revelation. It is not published nor endorsed as official Church Doctrine. No matter how much you roll your eyes or drip with sarcasm, it doesn’t make it so.

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It appears you’re intent on finding a conspiracy between LDS leadership and Romney’s efforts to become president. I sincerely doubt any exists. I’m sure there would have been celebration in Salt Lake City had Romney won, but beyond that, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Additionally, it is highly unlikely that the church really cares how Romney fits into any voting model. I attended church with a LDS member of congress, and I can’t remember any time where his duties as a congressman were in any way discussed in church.

ETA. April is correct in her statement. McConkie speaks (writes) his own mind. There is only ONE person authorized to speak for the church, and it’s not McConkie.

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Thanks - I purchased the book in the LDS bookstore.

I purchased a number of other books on LDS faith from the same bookstore. Are they equally unreliable?

So, what publication gives the true LDS Doctrine.

BTW - It was the US Government that ended the Law of Consecration. The communitarian economy was actually very successful under Brigham Young, but it was not compatible with the US economy.

Crane

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If it says The Church Of Jesus Churst of Latter-day saints you can rest assured it is official
This is what the seal looks like: http://www.readtoday.com/assets/img/partners/Church%20of%20Jesus%20Christ%20of%20Latter%20Day%20Saints.png
Here it is on a Church Manual (also found on Church published scriptures)http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/SDC11480.jpg
And on a pass along card published by the Church http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/asahlin2/SDC11482.jpg

Otherwise it is like any religion’s book store, written by religious authors but not official Church literature.

It’s not that difficult to understand.

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My husband recommends these for a start on Mormon Doctrine
http://www.lds.org/manual/missionary?lang=eng

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April R,

Thanks, but the pamphlets are not specifically on doctrine. Is there an official LDS publication that addresses doctrine.

So, you stated:

“Mormons do not believe the Church to be the Kingdom of God, everything is the Kingdom of God, not just the Church.”

Is your statement LDS doctrine or just your opinion?

Crane

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Those pamphlets contain succinct doctrinal summaries as officially published by the Church. You want more, read the Holy Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price.

Anything Else is superfluous

You can purchase the quad combination here:
http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxCatalogSearchResultView?storeId=715839595&catalogId=10557&langId=-1&itemsPerPage=&pageIndex=0&searchTerm=quad&submit=

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If you need anything else, look at http://lds.org and avail yourself of the search function

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Crane. You post a thread in the Elections forum asking if Romney was on a church mission call when he ran for president, and now you want to discuss church literature and official church doctrine?

I’ll answer your question so we can all move on. No.

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I was responding to April’s posts.

She raises an interesting point - by what authority do you state “No”?

Crane

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April,

It’s interesting that you quote Brigham Young in this context. He frequently used Mission Calls for a variety of purposes.

Also, it is odd that some posters above refer to Mission Calls as a conspiracy.

Crane