Is there an answer to the out-of-context talking-point in an online debate that "there's been more Covid deaths under Biden"?

The BBQ Pit
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I’m beat down and tired. I don’t care if you wanna shift this thread to a better subforum (I don’t have the energy to dress it up as a worthy Pit opening thread, so I won’t even pretend that it belongs there). But if there’s a better currently-ongoing thread to merge this one into (specific to the “b-b-but there’s been more Covid deaths under Biden” theme), then let’s do that and close this one.

I’m so tired of arguing that trump had the pandemic handed to him when it was basically in its infancy here in the US, and he had an easy political “win” given to him on a silver fucking platter, and if he would’ve just faced it head-on, sold his ignorant base $5/apiece red MAGA masks and then encouraged them to wear 'em, he probably would’ve cruised to re-election in November.

I “get it” that factually there was 400,000 Covid deaths before January 20th, 2021, and that there’s been 600,000 deaths since then, but I am so tired of the bullshit ‘talking-point’ that “well, there’s been more deaths under Biden” to insinuate that President Biden has been worse at confronting the pandemic than trump was.

My best ‘comebacks’ have been that “well duh, we’ve dealt with it for 17 months under President Biden, as opposed to nine months under trump” or “well, there was 4,200 Americans dying per day on January 20th, 2021, and that number has fallen by 95% since then. When President Biden had the pandemic dumped in his lap there were 2,000,000 active cases, as opposed to 15 active cases in March 2020 when trump was in office”.

Nope, “b-b-but there’s been more deaths under Sleepy Joe and he even had the vaccine” is all I hear, from the SAME dipshits who think that the vaccine is instant poison if they take it.

I’m just beyond exhausted with the “more deaths under Biden” talking-point bullshit.

Thanks for letting me rant in a non-Pit-worthy thread. Mods, move it or lock it or whatever. I’m just so “over it” and frustrated that you could zap this one into the ether, and I couldn’t care less - it’s been therapeutic enough to type it all out.

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Biden himself disagrees with you.

Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection. “Anyone who’s responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America,” Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election.

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That’s a cite that he believes that anyone responsible for so many deaths should not be president. Can you cite that he takes responsibility for those deaths? Do you yourself believe that Biden’s actions are more worthy of blame for the deaths than Trump’s?

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Of course Biden won’t take responsibility for those deaths, and I’m sure Trump didn’t take responsibility for the deaths on his watch. Trump never forced people to drink Covid-Juice™.

But that is not the point and I predict that your response is the first in what we see now in any SD thread: Trump did nothing right and is worst than Hitler while the Democrats never do anything wrong and is the greatest American ever.

Actually my point was (as I’ve pointed out in many threads) that Biden is his own worse enemy when spinning the political crisis of the day, and in this case his words came back to haunt him. Even if he does the right thing he f’s up the optics. Like pulling out of Afghanistan. It was the right move but then he talks about believing the Taliban when they said they would respect women’s rights. How’s that working out?

So even if I agree with the OP’s premise that the number of deaths under Trump and Biden are not comparable, in unqualified black-and-white the counter to Win Place Show’s argument is given by Biden himself and if WPS came up to me in a bar and made the statement he did here, I’d love to see how he qualifies, twists, and fold-spindle-mutilates Biden’s statement so that he didn’t really say what he said.

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Irony!

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COVID happened under Trump, Lockdowns happened under Trump, schools shut down under Trump, our economy shut down under this Trump disease. Under Biden we reopened our economy and schools, and we are rebuilding what Trump destroyed. You get into bed with Trump and who knows what types of disease you will wake up with, you gather your pieces and move on.

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Most of the deaths nowadays are among people who still think Trump is President. They’re still his deaths.

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Or, at any rate, not Biden’s deaths. The unvaccinated are even more antivax than Trump is. But they’re still, in effect, killing themselves out of spite for Biden.

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0 for 2 on worse/worst.

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Well, at least wurst never got mentioned. Usually an excellent sausage, but there’s nothing worse than the worst wurst.

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Well, now “Hitler is the wurst” has taken on a new, disturbing, meaning.

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What a mouthful. How about “Biden has been dealing with a pandemic for twice as long”

~Max

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Trump’s deaths sounds promising. Although he is one of the last persons I would have come up with when thinking about resurrection.

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That’s why there haven’t been twice as many deaths under Biden

~Max

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As the OP can see by the extremely predictable response of one of our resident MAGA drones, it doesn’t matter what you say, it will be twisted and fold-spindle-mutilated into something that you did not say.

They will be happy about winning their points for “owning the libs”, even though it comes at the cost of our country.

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I haven’t been hearing the “more Covid-19 deaths under Biden” talking point, but pointing out comparative time spent in office during the pandemic and more subtle factors like emergence of variants are potential comebacks, should one insist on arguing with morons.

Some have concluded this, often with ill-disguised satisfaction at the thought of such a differential helping at election time. But it’s tenuous data at best. For instance, if you can trace higher Covid-19 death rates to certain red states and even down to the county level (as NPR did in an analysis), you still don’t know what subpopulations in those areas are most affected and for whom they voted (party affiliation does not appear on death certificates to my knowledge). We’re left with anecdotes about what right-wing yahoos depended on ivermectin, HCQ and other nostrums to treat their Covid-19 and suffered the consequences. But lots of more rational people have died too.

On a statewide level, while a number of states with high Covid-19 death levels are in the mid to deep South and trend Republican, Texas’ Covid-19 death rate compares favorably to that of blue states like New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey, not that that means Texas is handling the pandemic better.

I wish people would tone down their glee over comparative death rates by presumed political affiliation.

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“You’re an idiot.”

And then never talk to this person ever again.

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If you spend 9 months dumping toxins into all the streams it might take more than 17 months to clean them up.

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However, we have very good data on how many people died who did not get the vaccine, and that data seems fairly compelling that the vaccines made a huge difference.

Now, obviously not all anti-vaxxers are MAGA heads, but the lion’s share of anti-Covid vaxxers are.

I wish people would stop assuming that there is glee in reporting basic information. It may not be that it is ill disguised so much as it is you reading it into them based on your predisposition.

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That’s been the Republican’s strategy for much of my life. Make a huge mess, do everything to obstruct the Democrats attempts to fix it, then blame the fact that the mess isn’t cleaned up yet on them.

It’s so stupid, you’d think that it’d never fool the American public, much less over and over again, but apparently, much of the American public is pretty stupid.