Is there such thing as American patriotism?

Even Russian Jews?

And someone had to post this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8

Sounds like a great place. Imagine how nice it would be if it actually existed. :frowning:

There are no Russian Jews.

:slight_smile:

What’s the definition of a nation, anyway?

Speaking as a Catholic…

Uh, we don’t? News to me (and the Pope, for that matter.)

So, they’re Christians, they’re just not Catholic.

Wait. Since when? I blame Obama for this travesty.

Apparently it’s having some sort of tribal claims to the land on which you’re currently squatting, an attitude that has done wonders for peace and stability over the past 200 years. :rolleyes:

You know, the diversity of the US is really overstated. The vast majority of Americans speak the same language, believe in the same god, watch similar TV shows, dress more or less alike, celebrate the same holidays, eat similar kinds of foods, read similar books. What regional differences there are are fading. You make it sound like it’s some crazy patchwork of people who have not assimilated at all, which is simply not true.

Easy there, John Lennon. If you’re “imagining” a world without nations, you are imagining a world without enforceable laws, systems of redress and protection, regulated food supply, public roads, public education, public works projects, environmental protection, and regulated health care.

Hobbes was not just a tiger in a comic strip.

Also, check this out. “The number of people killed in battle – calculated per 100,000 population – has dropped by 1,000-fold over the centuries as civilizations evolved. Before there were organized countries, battles killed on average more than 500 out of every 100,000 people. In 19th century France, it was 70. In the 20th century with two world wars and a few genocides, it was 60. Now battlefield deaths are down to three-tenths of a person per 100,000.”

Nation states make the world more peaceful, not less. Remember that next time your tempted to roll your eyes, because your opinion on peace and stability is ill informed and dead wrong.

I think JohnT was making a guess on what the OP considers a nation, which whatever it is doesn’t include the USA.

Yup.

Therefore, “Russia” is a nation because (I assume) it largely contains people known as “Russian” for as long as the OP can bother to remember. However, since the US is comprised of people who once considered themselves “Russian”, “English”, “African”, etc, and the OP is aware of this, it makes the US not a nation in the sense that Russia is.

Like others said, I wonder if the OP feels if Brazil is a country too? Or China? Or India? France? Belgium? Should Germany break itself into Bavaria, Prussia, etc?

And while the world is (seemingly) stable now, getting to this point was brought about by great bloodshed by people pushing national and ethnic interests throughout the 20th century. Reawakening those old debates does nobody much good - just ask Ukraine.

According to my brother, his wife, and their daughter, you gotta be a Tea Party Patriot, very religious, vote Republican, support big oil and coal, and several other things in order to be A Real American Patriot.

If you don’t fit all of their criteria, then you ain’t.