Is this a scam?

Our small health food store in Charlottesville VA got a call yesterday from a certain “Adam Smith” in Nigeria. This is pretty weird.

Mr. Smith, who is supposedly deaf, is working on the phone relaying through some interpreter. He orders $3000.00 worth of vitamin E to be shipped to him there. He pays for half the Vitamin E on one credit card, and half again on a different card, and pays for the shipping on yet a third card.

Then, he asks us about buying DVD players, adding on a cost for our trouble, and shipping these as well. Oh, and possibly a Nokia cell phone.

My staff member spent nearly 45 minutes on the phone because the “relaying” took so long. They rang up the Vitamin E, but we didn’t ship it. The credit cards went through. Of course we didn’t sell any DVD players, as we are a food and supplement store.

The guy is supposed to call us back with regard to more items. I was off work yesterday, or I would have had my staff refuse the sale because it was too odd and smelled of scam.

So what’s going on here? Credit card fraud? Why would anyone buy $3000.00 worth of Vitamin E in a scam? Could this somehow be legit?

I have called the police and they are going to send someone by. Anyone familiar with what is going on here?

I would suspect CC fraud. It wouldn’t hurt to call the merchant telephone number for the card(s) in question and file a suspicious transaction report, in addition to the police report. When I worked in retail, one of the warning signs of a possible fraudulent transaction was multiple large purchases of the same or similar items.

It’s almost 100% certainly a scam. I run a site that takes cc payments and I’ve had exactly the same kind of approach.

I didn’t fall for it. What happens is that after you ship the goods, the customer (the person who REALLy owns that credit card) will initiate a chargeback via the credit card company, and you will eventually have to refund the cost of the transaction to the credit card company.

Here’s how to find out for sure. Say to the supposed ‘customer’ that you just can’t cover the risk of such sizeable transactions, but that if he will pay the money into your bank account up front, you will be happy to ship the goods to him. All you need to provide is the name and address of your bank, the account number and the sort code. This enables people to pay money INTO your account, but not to withdraw any. Or ask him to send you an International Money Order for the full amount up front.

I can almost guarantee you won’t hear from him ever again once you make it clear thar he has to pay real money up front.

Why is it always Nigeria?

could also have been testing the limmit of stolen virgin cards…either with the intention of cancelling the order or simply trying to see if they were gold cards.

I wonder if it could be a variation of this:

It’s not always Nigeria. But it’s a far larger country than other West African nations where these kind of scams are common, such as Ghana and the Ivory Coast. So we tend to hear about the biggest.

As to ‘why that region’ - why is New York and New Jersey associated with the mafia? It’s plain old organised crime, only it’s easy to cross continents with it via credit cards or email.

A personal life rule of mine is to make sure nobody in Nigeria ever gets my bank account numbers. That’s how those Nigeria Scams work. (Nigeria is the only place where the “Nigeria Scam” is legal)

Please don’t give anyone your bank account numbers, especially if they are from Nigeria.

No offense meant to the legit people from Nigeria who need $3000 dollars worth of Vitamin E and DVD players.

Maybe he’s got a nasty case of bladder cancer.

:smiley: rofl. :smiley:

If I may offer another possibility?

Is it possible they actually do want the pills? From what I’ve seen of vitamins, most don’t have any markings, just identifiable by color or shape.

I’ve seen too many “online pharmacies” that have happy websites but no contact info. I’m thinking those vitamin E pills will be passed off as valium, vicodan, etc.

Nope. They’re known as ‘419 scams’, named after the Nigerian penal code which specifically outlawed them.

100% scam. I’ve read of exactly the same scam being used in ordering laptops. Vitamins are also a popular target.

Read all about your exact scam using the Sprint Relay service for the deaf on this page.

I agree that it’s wise to only give your bank account numbers to people you know and trust.

However, if you give someone the details I mentioned in my previous post they can (by direct bank transfer) only pay money INTO your account, not take any money OUT. And, just for further clarification, I didn’t mean to suggest that you should actually give out these details. I was suggesting that you OFFER to, making it clear that the only deal you will accept is money in, goods out, in that order. I have dealt with these people in real life and once you make it clear that these are your terms of business, you never hear from them again.

No, it’s not legal in Nigeria. It’s as illegal there as it is anywhere to swindle money out of people or attempt to. But the country has a reputation for a high degree of corruption.

Thank you for the correction. I appreciate it. Also, thanks for the clarification on the bank account numbers thing.

Thanks everyone for confirming what I suspected to be true.

I wish there was some way to nail these people if they call back. Police don’t seem to think can do anything besides tell them to find another mark.

I just read about this scam in Ed Foster’s Gripeline weblog. Article here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/foster/2004/03/12.html

I was just going through the recent additions at Snopes they mentioned this scam.

Our company sells miscellaneous computer components to the local market, and we received a TTY call just like this. They wanted to buy 30 harddrives, 40 DVD drives, etc. Since we aren’t a wholesaler, and don’t cater to anything but the local market, we told him we couldn’t help. The poor guy who took the call couldn’t get him off the phone without simply hanging up, though. Towards the end of the 45 minute call we were taking side bets on what he would want to order next. Even the TTY operator was joking with us, since apparently the typing was so bad that it would take two or three tries to get anything intelligible.

I agree with you about being very reluctant to give out bank account numbers to scamsters, even though I think (hope) my bank would not be silly enough to let anyone get money out of my account with nothing more.

But you are wrong about how Nigerian scams work. They are advance fee frauds.