“I have cancer. My doctor says that radiation will cure it, but I’ve read several reputable sources that say that radiation CAUSES cancer. Is my doctor a charlatan?”
“The fact that you’re asking the question answers it.”
or
“My doctor says that leeches are actually beneficial in certain circumstances. But I thought that science discredited the use of leeches centuries ago. Besides, they look nasty. Is my doctor a charlatan?”
“The fact that you’re asking the question answers it.”
Huh? I cannot discern a point here.
I would never regard a chiropractor as anything more than a physical therapist, if you do your as bigger fool as him, having said that I sometimes see a practitioner for two or three visits, never more or you need a different form of therapy.
I understand what he aiming for with the poping table, I’ve studied chinese martial arts and we often apply a bit of force to take the slack out of joint before applying more force, it seems to work on my lower back pain instead of the standard rotation they perform.
I would have thought that the point was abundantly clear. Apparently not.
The mere act of asking a certain question does not automatically mean that the question can be answered in the affirmative.
Or to put it even more simply, just because somebody asks if a chiropractor is a charlatan does NOT automatically mean that he is one.
“Is this person who sent me an e-mail offering to release $5,000,000 from the Royal House of Nigeria to me a charlatan?”
No, it’s the fact that he’s a chiropractor that means that he is one.
Just to qualify matters: I don’t believe this.
If a chiro sticks to dealing with musculoskeletal complaints, is knowledgeable enough to know when he’s out of his depth, and avoids trashing useful medical interventions like vaccination, he (like physical therapists and massage therapists) can help some people with chronic pain.
Unfortunately such chiros seem to be in the minority.
Some people believe that DOs are mostly Woo. I do not.
DOs are not mostly woo. But they’re MDs with completely unnecesary and counterproductive woo on top of their conventional MD-like scientific training. They have no advantages over MDs, but downsides that their practice originated off woo-like practices and still carries woo spinal manipulation in the training.
DOs are also less prestigious and also tend to catch some of the people who didn’t quite get into MD school.
So they’re doctors and 95%+ of what they do is normal doctor stuff, but what’s the point of even having them exist at this point? Take the MD when given an option.
Yes, there was a case in this area where a chiropractor tied to treat a head injury with cranial manipulation, or some such thing. The poor guy had an untreated subdural hematoma for 6 months before things got so bad he eventually got to a real doctor who performed emergency brain surgery to save his life.
The MDs I’ve discussed this with are reluctant to completely trash Chiropractors, but when asked will tell you they much prefer massage therapist or physical therapist for back and neck pain.
There is another meaning that I think a lot of people get mixed up.
I’ve met Osteopaths, not DOs, who claim they are manipulating your internal organs through gentle massage. Oops, your liver is out of place. Shuffling it back will cure you!
I know this could vary from state to state in the US, but at least in Minnesota, chiropractic care can be covered by health insurance. Are health insurance companies required to cover chiropractic care? I know back before I knew better, I had a back ache and went not just to chiropractor but also an acupuncturist and both were covered by my insurance.
If my wife, a PT, read that she would hunt you down and twist you in ways a chiro never even imagined. The two are not the same, not even close. Physical therapy is science based, main stream health care with [I would never regard a chiropractor as anything more than a physical therapist…
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In the PT world, being compared to a DC is tantamount to being called a charlatan.
Well, I hope your wife doesn’t get too mad if I mention Chiropractors actually have a fairly extensive education. My dad was an MD and while he never liked chiros, he had to admit they were well educated.
Don’t Scientologists also have to take a lot of classes too? Well-educated doesn’t necessarily equate to being educated well.
Agreed, but that wasn’t my point.
Bingo. My point was that in this particular case, which happens to involve a chiropractor, the behavior is setting off the OP’s warning lights, which he/she is responding to by posting the question.
This is exactly how I see it as well, based on my considerable experience with several different chiro’s when I was much younger.
Correct, not necessarily but in this case chiros are actually well educated in anatomy, biology and physiology.
From that very link (bolding mine):
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I would not classify that as “well educated.”
A physio degree is basically a Master’s degree, up until a few years ago (in Canada at least) it was a simple bachelor’s degree. If you go to Chiro school for 4 years it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to be able to be well educated, despite not having a bachelor’s. I get not trusting them, but don’t fall into the trap that they must also be stupid/ignorant/uneducated for that reason.
Being educated in nonsense does not make you educated. I could devise a 7 year course on healing crystals - how their magic works, how different crystals have different properties, how you shape them, how you apply them to cure various diseases - and yet despite the amount of time spent in my school no one would actually be educated, and allowing people who graduated my school to call themselves “doctors” would be a huge insult to people with a real education.