Is this coincidence or are Republicans dumb?

Not really Bricks. The results did not appear in The Wealth of Nations, as the chart states. However, they appeared in the Economist, which is really quite a reputable publication.

I’m sensing some defensiveness here.

Cite? (And please don’t cite the chart itself for the claim; the chart is the source for the false claim about “IQ and the Wealth of Nations.”

Ye’re a hard man. Here are some IQ figures that seem to be not a hoax. I’ll work on a correlation analysis over the weekend, just for you.

More IQ stuff

As I said above, SAT scores taken from the College Board itself seem to confirm the basic premise of the OP.

In my post above, I took into account the fact that the level of participation across states is different by listing only states whose participation was 50% or more.

I have now done some further analysis to be able to include all the states. (see below for details)


**State       Adjusted SAT   Voted for  Kerry Rank  Bush Rank**
Illinois        1008         Kerry         1
Massachusetts   1006         Kerry         2
NewHampshire    1001         Kerry         3
NorthDakota     1000         Bush                    4
Minnesota        998         Kerry         5
Connecticut      997         Kerry         6
Washington       992         Kerry         7
NewJersey        989         Kerry         8
Wisconsin        987         Kerry         9
Oregon           984         Kerry        10
Colorado         982         Bush                  11
Kansas           980         Bush                  12
Missouri         979         Bush                  13
Iowa             977         Bush                  14
Vermont          977         Kerry        15
Virginia         976         Bush                  16
NewYork          974         Kerry        17
Maryland         971         Kerry        18
Michigan         969         Kerry        19
Tennessee        969         Bush                  20
Nebraska         965         Bush                  21
Alaska           964         Bush                  22
RhodeIsland      962         Kerry        23
SouthDakota      961         Bush                  24
Delaware         957         Kerry        25
Ohio             957         Bush                  26
Pennsylvania     957         Kerry        27
Montana          956         Bush                  28
Maine            954         Kerry        29
Arizona          949         Bush                  30
NorthCarolina    948         Bush                  31
Oklahoma         945         Bush                  32
California       944         Kerry        33
Indiana          944         Bush                  34
Kentucky         943         Bush                  35
Alabama          936         Bush                  36
Louisiana        936         Bush                  37
Idaho            934         Bush                  38
Florida          933         Bush                  39
Utah             933         Bush                  40
NewMexico        929         Bush                  41
Georgia          928         Bush                  42
Hawaii           928         Kerry        43
Wyoming          926         Bush                  44
Texas            924         Bush                  45
Nevada           923         Bush                  46
SouthCarolina    923         Bush                  47
Arkansas         919         Bush                  48
Dist.ofColumb    919         Kerry        49
Mississippi      901         Bush                  50
WestVirginia     892         Bush                  51
                                          **17       32
                                         Average Rank**

As we can see, the average rank of a Kerry state is 17, while the average rank of a Bush state is 32. Even by inspection, you can clearly see the clustering of Kerry states near the top and the clustering of Bush states near the bottom.

So, the results look very similar to the results in the OP, and these results come from the College Board itself.


Note: For those of you interested how I derived the “adjusted SAT” scores for each state, see below:
I assumed that if p percent of the population take the SAT, that represents the smartest p percent of that state, and from this we can derive a formula of the mean of the entire population, assuming a bell-curve distribution of SAT scores.
The resulting formula for the adjusted mean is


adjusted mean = mean - sigma/p e^(-1/2 [Q^-1(p)]^2) / sqrt(2*pi)

where
p=level of participation
sigma=standard deviation of SAT scores (I assumed about 100)
Q=complementary cdf of a zero-mean unit-variance Gaussian distribution

Of course, one objection might be that the model I used was rather simplistic, but given the available data, there is not much more we can do.

BWAHAHAHA!!

I read the link you provided. At the bottom are several links. One says:

So I clicked on that, and the resulting page says:

So the link you provided me to support your thesis explicitly disavows and contradicts your thesis.

I suspect you’ll make a fine liberal leader. I understand the position of DNC chair may be opening up. Why not apply?

I don’t have any statistical numbers or arbitrary test scores or scientific mumbo-jumbo, but 95% of the people I see driving around with “Bush/Cheney 04” bumper stickers drive like f*ing morons. Either “conservative” is something that applies to driving style as well as economics and politics, or there’s just something broken.

Side note, I didn’t see that many Kerry/Edwards stickers. Maybe Dems don’t wave banners as much?

Side side note, at least half of the people who had “Bush/Cheney 04” stickers also had little American flags mounted on one of their windows. I’m tempted to buy a stack of “Bandwagon Patriot” bumperstickers and start applying them to cars with flags in parking lots.

Side side side note, my grandma actually had an American flag mounted on her window BEFORE 9/11, so maybe not all of them are nuts. Well, not in that way.

Side side side side note, I’m seriously considering purchasing a small Iraqi flag to mount to my car, if I can find someone who makes one. Not the old Iraqi flag, the new one the provisionals came up with that everyone hates. THen we’ll see how many of the American flag wavers even recognize it. Then I’ll beat them senseless with my stack of Bandwagon Patriot bumperstickers.

Bricker, care to comment on the data in my post above?

Sure it’s not a variation of this?

Snopes is our friend.

FTR, none of the Bush voters I know have stuff on their cars.

Is this a response to my data?
Cause if it is, I should remind you that my data comes directly from the College Board itself.

So does accessing the site make it something of an intelligence test? (Sorry, couldn’t resist the dig).

Given that your data purports to correlate SAT scores to IQ, I’d be curious to see how SAT scores track with socioeconomic status.

Quite frankly, I don’t understand the formula you used for adjusted SAT; my expertise is not in statistics.

But I did get a 1450 on my own SATs.

Regardless of the data, if you believe that small differences in averages cannot be significant, better take that remedial stats course yourself.

I thought that our official stance was fthat the republicans were not dumb, but evil. Why didn’t anyone copy me on the memo?

Fatheaded and evil, Waverly. What e-mail address are you using? I sent it to everyone on the list.

This is a bit silly.

The data Polerius gave is interesting. I appreciate the analysis.

Let’s not forget that when a state goes to a candidate, it does not mean the entire state voted that way. That tends to weaken the argument… I think. (Math isn’t on my mind right now.)

I sent a friend of mine that link. She does IQ testing for a living, and spotted the hoax immediately. She said:

The difference is that if low average IQ is due to an inferior gene-pool, then it’s something you’re stuck with; but if it’s due to a poor educational system, then it’s something you can do something about. In fact, it’s one of the few social problems that really can be solved by throwing money at it. Just look at the Soviet Union. They didn’t have much, but they had near 100% literacy. Better than we’ve got even now.

Hey, I’ve got a good idea - let’s do the correlation game with murder rates. Let’s list the states with the highest murder rates, and see which ones voted for Kerry.

From that, we can conclude that Kerry voters are murderers!

Repeat after me: Correlation does not imply causation.

Irrelevant. Correlation does imply amusement! :stuck_out_tongue:

Well on this site 9 of the 10 states with the higest murder rates are red states. Five of the 10 states with the lowest murder rate are blue states.