Is this freedom?

[McMannis] Oooh, retardo. ~shivers~ [/McMannis]

One question that you yourself said you refused to answer. (Have trouble counting as well as comprehending?)

(bolded added for the pure surrealist value)
Funny, can’t comprehend your own responses, eh?

Much like Mr. Holmes said, once you have eliminted all other possibilities, whatever is left, no matter how absurd, is the truth.

As I didn’t a) ignore your answers, indeed, I spent many many minutes responding to them b) apply them to any wrong questions, since I’ve only asked one of you c) wave them away
I can only assume that you are, indeed, being an asshole.

We can let people who read this thread judge, I am not all that afraid for my standing.

Yes, that is what talking with you feels like.
Except notepad has been acting like a fucking asshole.
Odd, that.

My eyes attempted to roll so hard they almost fell out of my head.
Again, the record of our conversation is in this thread, and anybody observing can be quite clear as to who was paying attention to what.

Again, while you have failed to even grasp what my fucking question was, even though I stated it twice and you had the background, I’d tend to your own house first.

But, you can go and have the last word.
Barring a miracle I doubt you intend to be intellectually honest or participate in a discussion without being an asshole.

You bore me.
I’m done with you.

Since you are suffering from an acute bout of the dumbassinitis, I’ll be kind and point out:

Which certainly does respond to your question. A question, I might add, that you fucking threw in from out of the blue. I’ll leave you to your Tourettes, but in the future, you may want to pay a bit more attention to what you are rambling about and to the responses. Who knows, Algernon, if the procedure is successfull, maybe you’ll become bright enough to understand that you need to match up questions with answers, not just randomly apply them.

Au revoir, Mssr.Retardo. (And no, that wasn’t a response to some future question about ‘enacting social change’ or trepanning or some other idiotic concept.)

No, that’s a different argument. In THAT case, you’re arguing that while you are taking a life, that it is justified, rather than arguing that it doesn’t constitute taking a life at all.

If you allow lives to be taken, and attach certain conditions to when it’s acceptable to take a life, then you cannot say you are unequivocably “pro life”. You are in fact only “pro life” under certain conditions. It is contradictory to be unconditionally against the taking of a life in the one case (abortion), and yet believe there are conditions that allow it in the other case (execution).

However, if you do not believe that abortion is taking a life, and believe that execution is wrong, then there’s no contradiction. Others may disagree with you, but that doesn’t make your own beliefs contradictory; it only means their beliefs differ from yours.

The 2 stances are not mirror images of each other, as you suggest.

Ugh, I think I went overboard on that last post - sorry. It looks like you actually did agree that the 2 stances aren’t mirror images of each other, and then I acted like you didn’t. Apologies.

Well, this is good. I really didn’t think anyone would have the balls to stand up and say “Yes, I support the removal of all rights”. More than that, but you even admitted that you probably couldn’t explain why in an intelligent manner. At least you’re honest.

And you’re not even a tiny bit worried that some day this policy might be turned against someone that you think it shouldn’t be turned against? Maybe even someone you know or even care about, or maybe even yourself?

No, I don’t. I used the phrase “the policy we’re discussing” once because it was clear. Out of the 205 posts to this thread, including this one, 5 are mine. I haven’t been discussing at all.

But you didn’t answer mine - to which I take to mean that you can’t.

Then you motherfuckers should start with a list or something. I am not picking through the garbage just to find the steaming turds.

Post 175 in this thread, dipshit.

You’ve actually got the balls to call others stupid? That’s really rich…

Oh, and **Brutus ** - I expect that since you’re so willing to be cavalier with all of our rights, you’re willing to give up yours first, right?

And when is it exactly when you report to duty to help kill the raghead scum as part of your assasination team with all your other redneck tiny dick brethren? And when does your little clone Ryan_Liam go with you? I, for one, look forward to that day, when you can no longer post garbage because you’re too far away in some dusty foreign land supporting our troops.

This whole thread is peppered with such lists. QED gave a list. I even gave links to lists from other people, like the North Carolina Council of Churches. You’re just playing an infantile game of I’m Not Touching You.

Conservatives are destroying America. Your apeish leaders have appropriated from liberals such words as “freedom”, and cleverly made them sound-bite cornerstones of your speeches. Unfortunately, you use the word “freedom” to mean “doing as we tell you”. You’re pissing in our plates and calling it gravy — and then we can’t show you the urine because you don’t know what it is.

Gotta agree with you on this one, Liberal – seems like the feces-flinging monkeys are outside the bars in the zoo now… after all, they are the ones with the ‘mandate’

Right. Let’s have a look at your oh-so-important questions, that just must be answered:

Err, ya. Gambling debts, gotcha. But I presume you are whining about less than 100% accuracy with the program, right? Well here is a shocking and suprising tidbit for you: Nothing will be 100% You’ll never get perfect intel or targeting or operations. If you want to wait for 100%, you will never do anything, and that is unacceptable.

A massive failure? Certainly and undeniably, Phoenix played a pivotal role in effectively wiping out the VC. What’s that, you say? You didn’t know that the VC were pretty much gone by the end of US involvement? Thank Phoenix (and lesser known programs) along with the VC’s bumbling of the Tet offensive.

What ‘lost’ Vietnam was the lack of polical will, not some fantasy of run-amok assassinations or whatnot.

Thus neatly revealing that you don’t actually see current administration policy (and the Patriot Act) as being detrimental to our civil rights. After all, I would already be bereft of rights if things were a fraction as bad as you are trying to make them out to be; there wouldn’t be anything left for me to give up.

(But you were just engaging in a bit of goading, right?)

What the hell are you talking about? I care not one iota about your North Carolina Whateverthefucks; I was rather obviously refering to a list of questions that certain posters simply must have answered by me.

exactly. If we would bring about war crimes tribunals for every democracy, they’d stretch back all the way to the 17th century, and would you send the pilots and generals of the US army and airforce to court because they flattened cities and used nukes on its enemy?

What straight answer do you seek?

So shouldn’t we just cut Pinochet and Saddam loose then?

What about US troops, from the start of the Iraqi war and on? Would you support that?

I find it absurd that we should weld such a tool, but not be held accountable to the same standards ourselves.

So you won’t defend freedom? :rolleyes:

Freedom of worship? Freedom from want? Freedom from Fear?

Brutus was right, your comebacks do suck

So I was to conclude the American values by asking 300 million of your compatriots? Are you retarded as your crappy punchlines?

So those 300million people don’t love freedom? Wouldn’t in some way try and defend it?

Firstly, I didn’t associate it with Patriotism, secondly, the measures like I have stated repeatedly, are in association with terrorism offences, where the evidence is solid and has basis it is where the arrest can be made.

Wow your knowledge of Team America really transplants into the real world doesn’t it? :rolleyes:

Start protesting Finn, do something about it, if you won’t then shut the fuck up hypocrite.

So, if he goes out and protests you’ll get your ass out in a trench, right?

Or are you a hypocrite, as well?

Go Team Chickenhawk!

-Joe

~laughter~
Sure thing, just tell me its precise location in space-time and I’ll see what we can do about it.

Certain developments in the religious right should be proof that not all Americans want freedom of worship.
Your claims about freedom from “want” and “fear” betray such a fundemental ignorance of American society that I feel like laughing.

The American legal system, bill of rights, constitution, rule of law, are what guarantee our freedoms. Otherwise, they’re handed out at the government’s whim and pleasure. So, you see, once you take away the fundemental freedoms and protections of American society, there is no guarantee that you can keep any of the others.

It’s not a comeback. :rolleyes:
I am pointing out that you’ve allowed yourself to be hoodwinked by American propaganda.
If you can’t deal with that, um, I’d suggest you become educated or something.

By the way, you might want to refrain from clinging to Brutus’ tit for sustinance here.
In the course of this thread he answered my question, was upset when I took his answer as an answer to my question, told me that he wouldn’t answer my question, and then wanted to claim that not answering my question had, indeed, answered my question.
You could use a better role model.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Yes! If you want to speak to the character, motives, drives, beliefs of 300,000,000 human souls, it would be a fucking good idea to ask them! Or at the very least you look at other scientific studies where they’re asked.
You’ve done no research, have no data, have no real reasons to believe what you do, and yet, lo and behold, you embrace ignorance like an old lover.

And it’s ‘retardo’ let’s try to keep this on a sixth grade level, shall we? :rolleyes:
I mean, hell, I don’t even know how I get on a computer, I stab myself every day making toast. I pour orange juice in my eyes. I shove paper clips into electrical outlets. Boy, am I ever retarded.

But I can still kick your ass in a debate.

Again, what exactly do you mean by ‘freedom?’
Would they, say, defend my freedom to commit Orwellian “victimless crimes”, or would they want me thrown in jail?
Would they, say, defend the bill of rights from the patriot act?
Would they, say, rise up against our government when we installed brutal dictators in other nations?

You’ve fallen for propaganda and have no clue what American society is like. I’d be willing to wager that you’ve not spent a single day with you body on our soil, and have read not one single statistical study of American society.

Do you really believe what you’re saying?
If the government can arrest you, take you to a hidden location, and try you (or not), in a military tribunal… you are aware, by the way, that you’re talking out of your ass?
Should you be arrested, no charges need be made known to you and no admission made to anyone else — family, lawyers, or the press — that you have even been detained, until you are formally charged in court at a future time of the government’s choosing (with no set time limits)
The Bush administration insists that it can hold American citizens in secret as long as it wants, without access to lawyers, simply by calling them “enemy combatants.”

The draconian Patriot Act II would have empowered the federal government to conduct secret arrests, collect DNA samples from anyone suspected of terrorism and allow the government to take away an American’s citizenship.

The most extreme power that the administration has claimed for itself so far is the right to declare an American citizen to be an “enemy combatant” and thus no longer protected by the Constitution. To make matters worse, the administration claims that no court has the right to review the administration’s designation that an individual is an enemy of the state. So, the administration argues, it can keep an American citizen in solitary confinement indefinitely — in a Constitution-free zone — preventing that person from ever being able to talk to a lawyer or having a judge review the claim that he is an “enemy.”

January 2003 - Hamdi loses his appeal. The court declares that the President can designate a U.S. citizen an “enemy combatant” if the President believes the person’s behavior constitutes a threat to national security.

You don’t do very well with satire, irony, or sarcasm, do you?
And while I’m at it, do you even know what the Bill of Rights is?
Do you understand that by taking away what makes America a rule-bound civil society, you destroy the village in order to save it?

Wow. You’re really fucking stupid. :slight_smile:
Banish ignorance
You’d also see from reading some of my posts to your new wacked out buddy that I already said I have been protesting. Idiot.

Moreoever, where the fuck did you get off?
Where in your ignorant false-to-facts propaganda swilling mind did it seem like a good idea to demand that any American who objects to losing their civil liberties must either march or be a hypocrite?

Uh oh.

Have fun in basic, Ryan. Let us know how it goes.

-Joe

Thats right though, they are terrorists who belong to no state and want to destroy yours, they can be detained indefinately, its stipulated within the Geneva convention, look it up.

Ding Dong (english version) You fucking moron, I expressed the core sense of American values, and it still wasn’t enough, I even left enough for variables, but it still wasn’t enough. Retard.

And it seems your not doing a very good job either.

:rolleyes: You knew what I meant, quit playing dumb.

And I still think your comebacks suck, and it was as you told me how I liked to something like ‘hook line and sinker?’

rubbish, they not have been obtained by society yet, but its a fundamental objective.

Just making Brutus statement about you ever more clearer, your comebacks do and still, suck.