That doesn’t bother me a bit. Is MM a slippery slope to decriminalization and a sort of OTC/home remedy for whatever the hell you want it to be? Fine with me, if that’s what it takes. Shoot, you can buy home remedy herbalist type books that will tell you half the weeds in your backyard are good for treating something. “This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA” sells billions of dollars of weeds to people. Who are we to say pot doesn’t relieve back pain a hell of a lot better than willow bark & boswellia that sells for $20/bottle?
Hey, if you’re going to approve medical use and require physicians to prescribe it, make it a clear-cut criterion drug, where non-proven uses for poorly-defined syndromes are strongly discouraged. If you’re going to legalize it (which I can’t say I have much of a problem with), do so, and let the chips fall where they may.
But don’t pseudo-legalize it under color of medical authority.
Amen, brudda.
My problem with MM is not that it’s over-applied. That’s not harmful.
The total disregard for dose is what’s harmful!
I say this over and over again. The dose makes the poison! I usually say this to make a very different point (that that are no “harmful” substances, and in low doses they’re fine), but here it’s flipped over. Without any sort of dose regiment, with overuse, marijuana IS harmful and it’s a farce to call a drug without a prescribed and regulated dosage to be medicine.
tgan3, you might want to really reconsider your attempt to come on a board like this one with your vague cure-all claims. We have real doctors, real biologists, and probably real medical researchers. You’re going to get really pwned.
And real cancer survivors.
ivylass, cured of breast cancer with the Red Devil and Taxol.
Definitely real medical researchers. I’m not one (what little research I do is not very significant outside my particular niche, and not very significant inside that niche, either), but we’ve real medical scientists here, along with clinicians who screen for cancer, diagnose it, treat it, etc.
And real potheads!
But it’s not possible to overdose on… Something you can do on plenty of over-the-counter drugs. Most of the medical arguments against marijuana are related to smoking it, which can be easily circumvented via vaporization (which really makes it a non-argument). Isn’t the point that you can basically smoke marijuana to any level and it not be greatly harmful to your body a positive note to how relatively harmless it is as a drug (if we’re going to call it that)?
Well, I can’t find any evidence anyone has ever ODd from marijuana. Researchers have tried to find an LD-50 for pot but they haven’t managed to kill any test animals yet. If you figure a “dose” of pot to be one joint, then it’s estimated you’d have to smoke 1500 pounds in 15 minutes. Considering that aspirin can kill you at 20x the usual dose and things like caffeine, nicotine and alcohol also have much lower lethal dosages, I’m not sure what the worry about pot is in terms of dosage.
Rick Simpson lives a few hours away from me, and from what I have read on him and heard in the local news, he is gaining nothing by doing this. If anything it is costing him! He was growing the weed in his backyard in Ahmerst, Nova Scotia and told the cops it was there, that he was growing it and why he was growing it. Eventually he was raided and arrested and the precisding judge said something to the fact during his trial that he had never tried a drug dealer who told the cops what he was doing before he did it and gave away all of his grow. Mr. Simpson has never charged anyone for his oil and does not sell weed as someone stated before. Here is a link tyo his webpage http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ this site contains alot of interesting information including a link to his movie Run From the Cure. There are links to photos of someone who was slated for amputation surgery for diabetic ulcers and began a treatment of oil applied to the ulcer and apparently it went away. There are also links to people who have used his product and claim that it has helped them. He even shows how to make it for yourself, how do you profit from that? I really think that anyone who is going to comment on this particular person should definately check out his site before jumping to any conclusions. Whether it works or not I have no idea, but I must say that what he is doing looks promising.
As far as the patent on the marijuana plant i think the US goverment holds the patent as stated in this link, but I am not about to chase it to verify…
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/257008
there are lots of sites in Google that say the same.
In the end I think this comes down to a personal decision of whether you are willing to try an unproven treatment when all else has failed or before trying something that could potentially make you worse.
How many links does he have showing people who have tried his ideas with no effect at all? Unless you have an unbiased, scientific evaluation of your claims, they’re nothing more than so much hot air.
Assuming the link is accurate, it’s not “the patent on the marijuana plant.” It’s the patent on cannabinoids as antioxidants, or the uses that are detailed at the link. (I’m assuming this is accurate.) I doubt you can patent a plant that grows in nature, but marinol (dronabinol) had patent protection for many years.
Smeghead,
Maybe he does I have not checked it out in a long time, I did a quick check when I was writing my post and it looked as though it was updated with some new forums, there may be something there or maybe it has helped everyone who has tried it. Just for the record I personally could care less if it works or not, whatever medical decisions people make is their own business, but if your willing to make statements like that without even looking seems a little closed minded. I do agree that that some scientific evaluation would be useful, but if they don’t want to look at it what else has he got. I’m no Dr.Grey but I am pretty sure that chemo has a non sucess rate.
What does this mean? Are you saying that Chemotherapy never works?
OK, looked at your link. The very first thing on the homepage is a request for money! Including all the ways you can pay… sheesh.
Reading threads like this makes me dispair for science education in North America. All the anecdotes and testimonies in the world are worthless unless backed up by hard data.
More importantly, this person’s possible altruism and personal beliefs have zero, zip, zilch, nada relevence to the subject. Whether a possible cancer cure is endorsed by Blessed Mother Theresa or produced by Phillip Morris, it still has to demonstrate a beneficial effect. Not merely demonstrate that person A (or even persons A through quintuple-Z) didn’t die of cancer after taking the “cure” but that it demonstrated a greater beneficial effect than a placebo in a properly-blinded and controlled trial.
Hemp oil doesn’t pass this test. It may in a limited manner, but certainly not in the manner posted in the OP.
Telemark,
I’m just saying that chemo does not always work and I have seen the sucess rate quoted as low as 2%, I’m also saying I’m not a Doctor or a researcher but I am pretty sure that chemo does not cure all cancers. I’ll be more careful with word choice in the future.
PlainJain,
I think that is something relatively new, as I said I have not looked at the site in some time, but that being said, he is not asking for money for his product he is looking for donations to keep his work going…such as the website. I could see your point if he was making money from the sale of his product but he is not, these things cost money, and I’m pretty sure that this site also asks for money in the form of membership.
I’m not saying it definitely doesn’t work, or not even that it shouldn’t be looked into. If a researcher wants to look into it, more power to them. My point is that that research needs to be done before these types of claims can have any substance to them whatsoever. Without scientific data to back them up, it’s pure unadulterated bullshit, and that should be blindingly obvious to anyone who thinks about it for even a second. That’s what frustrates me so much when these threads get spewed out.
IF this guy has genuine preliminary data worthy of consideration, I guarantee he wouldn’t have to work that hard to find a researcher willing to look into it properly. The very fact that he’s taken the route of pitching it on his own website instead is significant.
And of course chemo doesn’t cure every cancer. Of COURSE it doesn’t! No one ever claimed it did. That’s why there are still people dying of cancer. But you know what? It cures a metric assload more of it than hemp, magnets, or aromatherapy ever have because it’s based on science and an actual understanding of what’s actually going on in actual bodies during actual cancer, not some vague handwaving about oils and nutrients or whatever.
“Seen it”…where?
And it’s pretty obvious you have no medical training.