Did I say anything like that, or even remotely close to it? I questioned why they suddenly became necessary a couple of years ago (gee, just about the time Trump got elected - imagine that). Where in there was I trying to prove anything?
Oh, wait, I forgot. You’re a liberal, Bo. You therefore have carte blanche to make incorrect, half-assed assumptions about nearly everything, especially posts by a conservative. My bad.
I see you belive in both kinds of diversity: Country and Western
Would you apply that same standard to all religious beliefs?
Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me yet (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to hear about in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed.
I am not getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it.
octopus - Several cartoons. Been seriously let down by The Boondocks as well. And hey, I never expected to be angsting either. Visceral responses kinda just happen, y’know?
ITR Champion - Glad that your college experience went so smoothly. I’m guessing you didn’t need academic counseling, remedial coursework after bombing an entire semester, multiple attempts at the same core courses, and a very nice doctor to treat a horrendous coughing fit either. Well, I did, and I never felt the tiniest bit of shame for using whatever resources I needed to graduate. And guess what, there were a whole bunch of other services I didn’t need, like financial aid or wheelchair access. (Did I mention that this was some rinky-dink community college that couldn’t even afford to replace the rusted-out guardrails?) I never once grumbled about their existence because I know know that I’m not the only goddam person in the world. (What do you have against comfort animals, anyway?)
Covfefe - Going by memory: Abraham is mostly an eccentric who jumps between pitiable, bitter, and needy, with the occasional bout of heroism; Jasper is a curmudgeon, not very likable but mostly harmless so long as he’s not teaching anybody; Agnes is a bit unsettling but not really all that evil, and she’s had some wickedly funny exchanges (“OW! You stepped on my toes again!” “Well, if you let me lead, it wouldn’t happen.” “You’re no leader, Seymour. Never have been, never will be.”); Jackie’s completely worthless, but she’s been in like two episodes so who the hell cares; Hans is…a punching bag; and Monty is…a rich capitalist, 'nuff said. The only time I saw the show come close to riffing on old people (other than that blurb in that Uncle Moe’s commercial, which I’m not sure should count) was when they won a vote which forced everyone below a really old age to obey a curfew. Anyway, this show has frequently backed unions, the homeless, immigrants, struggling parents, accident victims etc.; where are you seeing all this punching down?
Darren Garrison - You want to sing the merits of Son of Zorn, you can go to the thread I made about it. Been down for a while (the show getting cancelled will do that), but if you have something, go right ahead.
The Other Waldo Pepper - Gah. Well, since you brought it up: Do you think becoming President has improved Donald Trump’s life in any meaningful way? This is a man who’s been given so many free rides in life he has a whole bus to himself. Every time he failed miserably in a business, some other schmuck was right there to fork over another fistful of venture capital. Every time a media outlet got sick and tired of him, another stepped right in with to give him a new platform. Every time a woman got completely disgusted with him and told him to hit the bricks, another was there waiting to be swept into his disturbingly-miscolored arms. Going into the '16 election, he’d gotten everything he wanted, taken everything he wanted, said everything he wanted, and never had to suffer any meaningful consequences. Now? Investigations up the yin-yang, cabinet members dropping like flies, endless ridicule, rallies have all the energy of a malfunctioning IPhone, and his own working-class base now hates his guts (which the media made sure we never forgot via the roughly 20,000 articles they did about that, but that’s another issue). He’s had to work out a convoluted travel scheme just to golf as much as he likes (yeah, that whole live-in-one-building-in-one-city thing hasn’t worked out at all for him). And that’s in addition to the normal health-wrecking headaches inherent to being The Most Powerful Man in the Free World. And for what, so he could make a bunch of guys already way richer than him even richer?
But do you know who would appreciate the power that the Presidency gives? The repulsive, useless, foulmouthed, good-for-nothing cretin who doesn’t know anything other than “getting a rise out of” others. I’ve known plenty of them growing up. And do you know what they achieved in life? NOTHING. They lived the good life, they got outrageously lenient treatment, they were crude and repulsive and infantile up to the very last day of high school, and when it was over…they just disappeared. All of them. None of them became the boss of a Fortune 500 company, none of them hit upon an amazing invention that made them incredibly famous, none of them made a killing in the stock fortune. Not. One. So when I say that being worthless and obnoxious is going to hurt you down the road, this isn’t some plaintive cry from a powerless little man, this is my actual life experience, which has NEVER been contradicted.
Trump wasn’t the scum that rose to the top. He was at the top from day one. If you think that it’s possible for some obnoxious nobody to luck his way into power, you’re going to be disappointed. And if you think it’s going to be YOU… uh… please try to get over it before you learn the hard way.
Dewey Finn - Thanks for providing some context. And since apparently no one here is still watching the show (or at least won’t admit to it), I’ll just have to conclude that the quality of the writing has gone down and they need cheap gags to fill out episodes. Sounds about right.
(Am I the only one here who kinda misses Futurama? I mean, it was never amazing, but I applauded Matt Groening trying to go in a different direction and he really deserved better than that.)
Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me yet (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to hear about in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed.
I am not getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it.
octopus - Several cartoons. Been seriously let down by The Boondocks as well. And hey, I never expected to be angsting either. Visceral responses kinda just happen, y’know?
ITR Champion - Glad that your college experience went so smoothly. I’m guessing you didn’t need academic counseling, remedial coursework after bombing an entire semester, multiple attempts at the same core courses, and a very nice doctor to treat a horrendous coughing fit either. Well, I did, and I never felt the tiniest bit of shame for using whatever resources I needed to graduate. And guess what, there were a whole bunch of other services I didn’t need, like financial aid or wheelchair access. (Did I mention that this was some rinky-dink community college that couldn’t even afford to replace the rusted-out guardrails?) I never once grumbled about their existence because I know know that I’m not the only goddam person in the world. (What do you have against comfort animals, anyway?)
Covfefe - Going by memory: Abraham is mostly an eccentric who jumps between pitiable, bitter, and needy, with the occasional bout of heroism; Jasper is a curmudgeon, not very likable but mostly harmless so long as he’s not teaching anybody; Agnes is a bit unsettling but not really all that evil, and she’s had some wickedly funny exchanges (“OW! You stepped on my toes again!” “Well, if you let me lead, it wouldn’t happen.” “You’re no leader, Seymour. Never have been, never will be.”); Jackie’s completely worthless, but she’s been in like two episodes so who the hell cares; Hans is…a punching bag; and Monty is…a rich capitalist, 'nuff said. The only time I saw the show come close to riffing on old people (other than that blurb in that Uncle Moe’s commercial, which I’m not sure should count) was when they won a vote which forced everyone below a really old age to obey a curfew. Anyway, this show has frequently backed unions, the homeless, immigrants, struggling parents, accident victims etc.; where are you seeing all this punching down?
Darren Garrison - You want to sing the merits of Son of Zorn, you can go to the thread I made about it. Been down for a while (the show getting cancelled will do that), but if you have something, go right ahead.
The Other Waldo Pepper - Gah. Well, since you brought it up: Do you think becoming President has improved Donald Trump’s life in any meaningful way? This is a man who’s been given so many free rides in life he has a whole bus to himself. Every time he failed miserably in a business, some other schmuck was right there to fork over another fistful of venture capital. Every time a media outlet got sick and tired of him, another stepped right in with to give him a new platform. Every time a woman got completely disgusted with him and told him to hit the bricks, another was there waiting to be swept into his disturbingly-miscolored arms. Going into the '16 election, he’d gotten everything he wanted, taken everything he wanted, said everything he wanted, and never had to suffer any meaningful consequences. Now? Investigations up the yin-yang, cabinet members dropping like flies, endless ridicule, rallies have all the energy of a malfunctioning IPhone, and his own working-class base now hates his guts (which the media made sure we never forgot via the roughly 20,000 articles they did about that, but that’s another issue). He’s had to work out a convoluted travel scheme just to golf as much as he likes (yeah, that whole live-in-one-building-in-one-city thing hasn’t worked out at all for him). And that’s in addition to the normal health-wrecking headaches inherent to being The Most Powerful Man in the Free World. And for what, so he could make a bunch of guys already way richer than him even richer?
But do you know who would appreciate the power that the Presidency gives? The repulsive, useless, foulmouthed, good-for-nothing cretin who doesn’t know anything other than “getting a rise out of” others. I’ve known plenty of them growing up. And do you know what they achieved in life? NOTHING. They lived the good life, they got outrageously lenient treatment, they were crude and repulsive and infantile up to the very last day of high school, and when it was over…they just disappeared. All of them. None of them became the boss of a Fortune 500 company, none of them hit upon an amazing invention that made them incredibly famous, none of them made a killing in the stock market or became the host of a hit reality TV show or started a successful religious movement. Not. One. So when I say that being worthless and obnoxious is going to hurt you down the road, this isn’t some plaintive cry from a powerless little man, this is my actual life experience, which has NEVER been contradicted.
Trump wasn’t the scum that rose to the top. He was at the top from day one. If you think that it’s possible for some obnoxious nobody to luck his way into power, you’re going to be disappointed. And if you think it’s going to be YOU… uh… please try to get over it before you learn the hard way.
Dewey Finn - Thanks for providing some context. And since apparently no one here is still watching the show (or at least won’t admit to it), I’ll just have to conclude that the quality of the writing has gone down and they need cheap gags to fill out episodes. Sounds about right.
(Am I the only one here who kinda misses Futurama? I mean, it was never amazing, but I applauded Matt Groening trying to go in a different direction and he really deserved better than that.)
Which standard? The standard that when opinion disagrees with evidence then the evidence wins? If you’re not sure, maybe second grade is still available as a refresher for you.
DKW:
I disagree, I thought the first run was brilliant. However, the second run (third if you count the straight-to-DVD-movies as a “run” of the show) wasn’t, it was more like latter-season South Park - every episode being about a contemporary issue (and downright preachy, at that) or a parody of a popular film. There were some good ones in that run, but not nearly as much so. So I miss what it once was, but seeing the nearly-dry well of the creators’ creativity when they tried to continue it, I can’t say I want them to bring it back yet again.
I have no desire to bump the old thread about Son of Zorn–I will say just that in my opinion saying that it was “Rentless in its mockery of the very existence of leftist ideas.” reminds me very much of whatshisname’s famous appraisal of Back to the Future.
I literally had to check to make sure I hadnt wandered out of Cafe Society somehow.
He was clearly still left wing to the end, the support of some issues that neocons supported was an unavoidable outcome of his being willing to judge each issue on its merits.
Which I find fascinating, If the tenets and practices of Islamic cultures were labelled as a political ideology the left would have nothing to do with it.
Hey, you were the one that chose that clip and devoted your first paragraph on the attack (as you perceived it to be) on the SJW culture in universities.
That’s an interesting move: you simply note that “All right, guests, quick education. Do you know why things like safe spaces, inclusive language, and multiculturalism exist? Because people need them, dammit.” And then you mention a scolding from an SJW before you — loftily inform us that you are not getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here, forget it.
Is this how the other side should make their points? Just say, “all right, guests, quick education: people don’t need those things, dammit — sure as affirmative action is damnable racism and should be abolished. But I am not getting into a debate about either subject here; I just wanted to put some stuff out there, and then tell folks to forget about debating it, see? I’ll do the Let Me Be Perfectly Clear bit about what I’m looking for insights about, but only after I flatly state some other things and then declare them off-limits; do we have a deal?”
If so, then I’ll gladly say tons of stuff and note that it shouldn’t be debated.
I am. And I am one of several who have posted here to disagree with your reaction to the linked scene and to tell you to Lighten up Francis.
Yes, the quality of the writing has gone down since the show’s “golden age”; sometimes it comes close, and sometimes it doesn’t, and the show will never again have the freshness it had in its heyday, but IMHO it remains recognizably the same show.
And yes, they sometimes use cheap gags to fill out episodes. And there may have been some of that in what you linked to. Although, as I pointed out upthread, the scene(s) do serve a purpose within the context of the episode. But that’s not what your OP was complaining about: not that the gags were cheap, but that they were making fun of things that should be sacred and off-limits.
And, personally, I tend not to be as fond of episodes that are built around some current Social Issue or Hot Topic In The News. But that’s not a new thing; it goes back at least to “Homer Badman,” the “sexual harassment” episode from Season 6.
Yep, it is a case of [del]I didn’t think the leopards would eat my face[/del] I didn’t think The Simpsons would satirize my culture!
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I’d argue that the idea of “safe spaces” and other stereotypical SJW “needs” are actually against their best interests in the long run. They are almost universally dismissed by conservatives, and are actually turning some people that were slightly center left, and “classic liberals” away. A classic liberal doesn’t think loud obnoxious jerks saying offensive things should ever merit being beat up, thrown in jail or shot in the head. Fired? Perhaps (yet unlikely). Beat up, jailed or shot in the head? No. They’re also pretty cool with conservatives, even “mean” ones, being allowed to speak without guaranteed riots occurring.
Beating people up, throwing people in jail, and shooting them in the head for saying anything less than a call to violence, is usually reserved for fascism.
This stuff was certainly not THE factor, but definitely was A factor in why Donald Trump is president today. A perception that the pendulum swung too far left. Donald Trump didn’t win because he was so awesome (his numbers were about on par with Romney), he won because a lot of people in key places that voted for Obama didn’t either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all.
Wait, am I misunderstanding the OP because apparently he thinks The Critic was a right wing show?
Is the character Vietnamese?
Yes.