Is veal unethical? What is veal?

Gr8Kat, sometimes the old ways are still the best. The industrial culture breeds some pretty inhumane pratices, and industrial farming is probably the worst. The farm you grew up on is what I think of as really humane.

Think of it this way. If humans were bred as meat animals for another species, how would you want to live? In cages where you couldn’t move, milked of your sperm or artificially inseminated (with no possibility of sex), then lead down a long dark corridor to your doom? Or would you rather be allowed to live a life, make friends, make love, and then quietly and quickly be dispatched when you weren’t expecting it?

Speaking of moral treatment of all life forms, I told my wife about this thread, and she asked if I mentioned my moral qualms about bonsai. You see, even plants deserve a life, and it bothers me to see gardeners deliberately stunt and twist a pine tree into a dwarf tree. I think that’s morally reprehensible too, and whenever I see one, I see a tree forced to be a freak. I even try not to kill insects in the house, as long as it’s practical to scoop them up and release them outside.

My brother in law, the aborist, says I need to cut one of the trees down that is on my property because, get this, it is diseased and therefore suffering. Cutting it down will put it out of it’s misery. [jaw drops to ground after hearing such an absurd statement]. If this sounds stupid to you, then you know how I feel about folks who whine about veal! Ethics? Bah! It’s a souless being. A delicious one at that! Hell, I’d stomp my dog to death and throw his carcas on the barbie if I thought he’d make for good eating! Animals taste good, and veal especially tast great! Eat up!

I’m curious: Wouldn’t making the calf immobile it’s entire life prevent the growth of any muscle tissue (and atrophy most of the mucsle it had at birth)? How do they get veal if there isn’t any meat? Do they just get very little meat per calf?

I love veal. I especially love it with a lemon-garlic sauce. Mmmmmmmm, Veal!!

How do you veal haters feel about Japan’s Kobe beef? The animals are allowed to live to adulthood and are pampered their entire lives. They are treated more like house pets than food animals. Hell, they live a lot better than a great many people do. In the end, though, they get killed and eaten.

And in the end we die and get eaten (just not by other people, usually), it is the cycle of life.

Here is a link to all that is evil about factory farming… http://www.factoryfarming.com/

OK, cut it down before it starts rotting and dropping branches on the heads of those you do care for.

One of my co-workers told me he’s eaten dog and that, while it’s “different,” it’s not bad. Go for it!

:rolleyes:

As a chef-in-training, my professional standpoint is that it is not my opinion whether or not veal is ethical–if I have a customer base that wants to eat veal, then I am missing out on business by not having veal on the menu. Considering I live in Southern California, veal is not a big menu item around here, anyways.

Do I think it’s unethical? It’s as unethical as any other mass-farm-raised creature that makes it to your dinner plate. I’m lucky that I’m in an area that free-range and organic meats are in easy supply, and I support these farms whenever possible. My only concern is these meats also cost double what your regular mass-produced meats cost.

There are certain types of veal that are kept in more humane circumstances, such as Limosine Milk Calf which is fed exclusively on the udder, and is allowed some movement, as it is kept in the pen with the mother.

Max: The calves do gain muscle tissue, as they are almost force-fed, and they do stand and move (albeit not much); the immobility keeps the muscle from becoming tough. There is plenty of meat available from a calf, even though it may seem like there might not be much.

Even though it seems like veal is a “waste”, since the animal is not able to reach reproductive maturity, there was a reasoning behind how veal made it to the dinner table. Let me use Italy as an example. Northern Italy is full of grazing land, and has a reputation for its cheeses and dairy-based items–here, female cows that produce milk are more important than males, except for a few needed for reproductive purposes. First of all, Northern Italy has the grazing land available to support a great deal of female cows that are producing milk. Second, a female cow needs to have calved to be able to produce milk. What would happen, is the farmer would keep the female calves–these were his money makers, as they will give him the milk he sells. The male calves? He would perhaps keep one or two, but the rest would go towards food–some to mature, and some going to veal. Nothing goes to waste. In Southern Italy, the same thought process was there, but the area lacked the grazing land, and would be unable to support a large herd of cows–the steers were used more as beasts of burden. In this case, the females were the ones to go to slaughter.

Veal is a very tender, light-colored meat, and is low in fat–since it is not able to develop fully, it also does not gain the fat marbling mature beef has. If your veal is red or grey–it’s been fed with reconstituted milk or hormones–or your market is trying to rip you off by selling you young beef and marking it as veal.