Is witnessing restricted to Great Debates?

“Almost” exclusively. I found ten threads she’s posted in, and that’s just on the first page of her “Find All Posts By” listing.

My gripe is that she’s subjecting members to an obnoxious signature line, without setting it up as a signature line so that it can be turned off.

How is it “obnoxious”? I can see it being annoying, but it’s not like she has a signature that says “Go Fuck Yourself, All of You, Always”

Some people are spiritual and sprinkle that throughout their activities. It might be annoying, but I hope that’s never taken into account on this board or else I should just resign instead of being banned. :slight_smile:

I disagree. Just an affirmation is enough - the shahada is witnessing, and it’s 7 words long. And it would be just as irritating if it was signed at the bottom of a person’s every post.

Like has been said, it’s different if it’s a sig - I have those turned off. And it’s not about whether manual sigs are OK - that ship has sailed, I get that. It’s specifically about witnessing outside GD. It wouldn’t really matter if it wasn’t the same formula every time, and wasn’t at the end of every post.

And no, before anyone chimes in, I wouldn’t consider a series of "bless you"s and "I’m praying for you"s in a “my whole family died” thread to be witnessing. I am, in fact, aware of what “context” means.

I’m not “looking for a reason to get upset” - I don’t think I’ve had any interaction with the poster that prompted this query, positive or negative. I’ve just read the Pit threads. I’m more wondering what the precedent would be that is being set.

Are you saying you see no difference between a simple “Regards, Shodan” and a three-line replete with witnessing and smileys?

Note that by “moderated” i don’t mean any Warnings or Notes - a simple “stop doing that” strikes you as a sledgehammer, now?

It becomes obnoxious when enough people tell you it’s annoying to those who don’t want to be witnessed at, and you keep doing it.

It is taken into account on this Board - the “Keep your witnessing in GD” rule already exists.

I am afraid that you have failed to persuade me of your position.

Exactly. How is that not “being a jerk”?

That would be a rule violation, even set up in the sig block. ;);):wink:

I think you’ve confused being unpopular with being obnoxious.

Saying “God bless you” is not witnessing. The rule was not written to keep all mentions of God out of other forums and that is not how it has ever been enforced.

No, I don’t think I have.

Saying it over and over again, by rote, in the face of objections, most definitely is.

:rolleyes: Yeah, I got that - you know how you could tell I got that, if you could be bothered to? When I made that whole point about “context” that specifically mentioned other uses of religious expressions. Did I need to specifically put a “God” in front of the “bless you” to make it clear that I’m not stupid enough to think any mention of God is verboten outside GD? Really?

I’m somehow not really surprised.

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It becomes obnoxious when enough people tell you it’s annoying to those who don’t want to be witnessed at, and you keep doing it.
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Exactly. How is that not “being a jerk”?
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This is exactly the same as the Shodan clause. It seemed like everyone was annoyed by it, they asked him to stop and he kept doing it. TPTB ruled it was OK. End of story.

I’m on your side on this. I hate her Jesus sign-off screed/smileys. But just because it’s annoying to you and me doesn’t mean she’s breaking the “Don’t be a jerk” rule.

You have. An action doesn’t become obnoxious just because other people don’t like it. The action is either obnoxious or it isn’t because of its content or its intention. You’re not obliged to stop doing something just because somebody else complains, and your refusal to indulge their preferences isn’t rude. It’s true that sometimes you have to go along to get along, but this isn’t a majority rule kind of thing. If a bunch of posters decided they were offended by the word “hello” and demanded everyone stop using it, would everyone who refused be inherently obnoxious? The answer is no.

How does that work? It’s not witnessing unless a bunch of people decide they don’t like it, and then it becomes witnessing - but only when some people do it?

Then I don’t know what you were trying to say. Being “spiritual” as jtgain described is not confined to GD either. Witnessing is a more specific behavior - and like I said, it’s one you almost never see on this board these days. 10 years ago I think it was another story, but few Dopers feel compelled to post unsolicited testimony about their salvation.

If being annoying counted as being a jerk, 3/4 the members of the board would be instantly banned, probably including me. Does anybody believe that 90% of pit-thread participation isn’t obnoxious? In common speech “Obnoxious” is worse than “being a jerk”.

The jerk bar on the board is set way higher than that in conventional usage. In reality only egregious jerks are banned. That’s ok: most grok to the culture here with ease. I don’t see how that sig differs from the Shodan incident as per PlainJane’s comment.

Marley: “Witnessing is a more specific behavior - and like I said, it’s one you almost never see on this board these days.”

Me, chatting: I wasn’t aware that the definition was that narrow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it here, which is actually sort of disappointing.

I’ve done a few searches in Great Debates but I haven’t found a really good example.

Wouldn’t that require her paying for a membership? She’s a guest and profile signatures are an option only available to paid members.

Nope, anyone can have a sig, I believe.

Anyone can type a sign-off at the end of their posts, but only members can set up an automatic sig in their profile.

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Actually, it kind of does. But that’s irrelevant - see below.

I bolded the bit that applies to witnessing in the face of objections.

Kind of depends on the content they’re objecting to, and the reasons they do it. I ask (again) - do you all really say there’s no difference between Shodan’s sig and this one?

No, it’s a Board culture kind of thing - and to me, a witnessing sig with a row of smileys is pretty damn uncultured by our standards. Get along to get along is right.

And you’re saying there’s no difference between the two?

It’s witnessing when it’s professing your beliefs in the face of resistance - and it’d be that when anyone does it.

That’s just one form of witnessing - like I said, just a 7-word profession of faith is witnessing too. And so is this. That’s clearly its poster’s intention - and I’m not just referring to the “sig” here, I’m referring to the content of some of the posts as well. But taken together, the sig is a big part of it.

Actually, most of us didn’t (and still don’t) give a shit. “Everyone” is going a bit far.

Let’s go down to the quarry and throw stuff in there.

Regards
some other poster

TPTB have already ruled on the question… Repeatedly. Your being pissed-off about it doesn’t constitute a “jerk” rule violation. Deal with it. I have some smelling salts available for sale. Contact me! :wink:

Look for threads started by user name GEEPERS (now banned). Witnessing (and actively seeking persecution for his beliefs) is all that guy ever did.

MrDibble, I’d hate to be around when you sneeze. Christ. :rolleyes:

Really? I never noticed that when I was a guest. Was that changed?