It should be noted that pedophilia and homosexuality are not at all the same thing.
The majority of young people who are sexually molested are girls, yet we don’t link heterosexuality and pedophilia.
Islam and violent intolerance are, of course, palpably linked. You simply don’t see large numbers of the adherents of other world religions sanctioning violent punishment for violating religious doctrine. There are no heterosexuals to qualify the argument; it is all a red herring.
Only in your mind and through cherry picking reports, just as pedophilia and homosexuality are linked by way of NAMBLA.
It is more of the same: special pleading for hatred.
There really are no actually superior groups of people, except for the freckled. And our good behavior is more a matter of not attracting attention while we plot our revenge.
But I have just started a thread entitled “Is it up to gays to put down NAMBLA?”
I have already begun the discussion, and I am amazed, as I write, how little similarity there is between the gays/NAMBLA discussions and the ISIS/ISLAM discussion.
Stringbean, I invite you to not let Tom play his little game of pretending the issues are similar when they are not. I invite you to contribute a post to my new thread.
The only reason that you fail to see the similarity is that you have a vested interest (in opposite directions) in each question. You want the comfort of being able to criticize and condemn Islam while shrugging off the responsibility and effort that active opposition to NAMBLA would require.
Note, again, that I do not hold that you have any specific responsibility to take action against NAMBLA any more than I agree with your manufactured outrage that more Muslims do not actively oppose the Salafists and their ilk.
::Raises hand:: Oo! Oo! I have an anecdote!
I was a member of Amnesty International in college. As it happens the college group was led by Muslim female. From Iran. The funny thing is I had absolutely no fear that she would impose Sharia law on us. In fact it didn’t cross my mind. Weird, I know. I did think it somewhat courageous (or ill-advised: I wasn’t sure) for a person from a tyrannous country to lead a human rights group (maybe a dozen of us) while she studied abroad. Don’t want to make too big a deal of it: she wasn’t the only person to do that and hey, she’s in college. Our group regularly wrote letters (that’s what AI does) to all manner of oppressive regimes practicing torture or the death penalty. This was before 911.
While I agree that it is hilarious that your correspondent organizes a demonstration with 10 people he knows and whines about no Muslims showing up (do you know any Muslims Valteron?), I qualify the feel-good characterization. AI’s actions typically have small but measurable short term effects and larger and corrosive long term effects. For example Saudi Arabia has postponed the next scheduled flogging of blogger Raif Badawi. Of course he’s still in prison.
Over the longer haul, well, I understand that AI was popular in Brazil following the fall of the military regime.
All that said the consequences of any single letter or demonstration are pretty limited. AI’s effectiveness hinges on the routine actions of its membership, as opposed to those who withstand the elements for 30 minutes once and call themselves heroes. Which is why members of our group each had a set of Special Super Thermal B Long Bat-Underwear. We were prepared.
Question becomes, suppose I am a Muslim living in a Muslim community, and would I stick my neck out and condemn terrorists who might very well know where I live? Well, me, sure I would, I’m just that kinda guy, fearlessly moral and righteous. Unless, you know, I had some people in my life, I give a shit what happens to them.
Then, you know, maybe not.
They could show solidarity with a Jewish synagogue in Norway.
Your average man-in-street Muslim is no more obligated to condemn acts of terror committed by Muslims than your average Christian is to apologize for the bigots in Murfreesboro, TN trying to prevent the building of a mosque. Nor are Muslim countries obligated to adopt western values in their societies.
20 Muslims showed up to “show solidarity” at the “Jewish synagogue” (is there any other kind, BobLibDem?).
Hundreds of Muslims showed up at the killer’s funeral to “show solidarity” with him.
Breitbart is your source? Seriously? Why not find something more reliable, like graffiti on a restroom stall?
Here are a couple of other fun facts out of Saudi Arabia. This preacher believes that the earth does not rotate and he “proves” it with a glass and some story about China. You can see this enlightening video here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11419428/Watch-Saudi-cleric-tells-students-Earth-does-not-rotate.html
Here is another Saudi, a traditionalist historian who has defended his country’s ban on female drivers, alleging that governments that let women drive don’t care if they are raped. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11405298/Saudi-historian-Western-women-drive-because-rape-is-no-big-deal-to-them.html
Now, I will be the first to point out that the interviewer and other guests clearly do not support what this idiot says and they are laughing at him. BRAVO!
But how many mosques, Islamic centres and schools in the west have been financed by Saudi Arabia? This 2013 article by Johnathan Manthorp of the Vancouver Sun is very enlightening. Home | Vancouver Sun
Notably: "The amount the Saudi royal family, both by government donations and the generosity of individual princes, now lavishes on Wahhabist schools, colleges, mosques, Islamic centres and the missionary work of fundamentalist imams around the world is extraordinary.
In 2003, a United States Senate committee on terrorism heard testimony that in the previous 20 years Saudi Arabia had spent $87 billion on promoting Wahhabism worldwide.
This included financing 210 Islamic centres, 1,500 mosques, 202 colleges and 2,000 madrassas (religious schools).
Various estimates put the amount the Saudi government spends on these missionary institutions as up to $3 billion a year.
Here are a couple of other fun facts out of Saudi Arabia. This preacher believes that the earth does not rotate and he “proves” it with a glass and some story about China. You can see this enlightening video here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11419428/Watch-Saudi-cleric-tells-students-Earth-does-not-rotate.html
Here is another Saudi, a traditionalist historian who has defended his country’s ban on female drivers, alleging that governments that let women drive don’t care if they are raped. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11405298/Saudi-historian-Western-women-drive-because-rape-is-no-big-deal-to-them.html
Now, I will be the first to point out that the interviewer and other guests clearly do not support what this idiot says and they are laughing at him. BRAVO!
But how many mosques, Islamic centres and schools in the west have been financed by Saudi Arabia? This 2013 article by Johnathan Manthorp of the Vancouver Sun is very enlightening. Home | Vancouver Sun
Notably: "The amount the Saudi royal family, both by government donations and the generosity of individual princes, now lavishes on Wahhabist schools, colleges, mosques, Islamic centres and the missionary work of fundamentalist imams around the world is extraordinary.
In 2003, a United States Senate committee on terrorism heard testimony that in the previous 20 years Saudi Arabia had spent $87 billion on promoting Wahhabism worldwide.
This included financing 210 Islamic centres, 1,500 mosques, 202 colleges and 2,000 madrassas (religious schools).
Various estimates put the amount the Saudi government spends on these missionary institutions as up to $3 billion a year."
So here is my question. How many cases de we have of Muslim communities in the west refusing Saudi money and the Wahhabist philosophy and preachers that so often come attached to the money?
I am not asking this question rhetorically. If there are many cases of North American and European Muslim communities telling the Saudis to take their money and put it where the Sun don’t shine, I would be VERY happy. Anyone have any facts?
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So? How many whack-a-doodle fundy Christians don’t believe in global warming or evolution? How many Christian churches around the world were built or funded by Americans? How much money do American churches spend proselytizing around the world?
Why wouldn’t they be happy that the world’s 1 billion+ Muslims are not waging a holy war against infidels? I am happy about that and I thank god that there are plenty of good Muslims to push back against the bad ones
That’s a weird thing to say. Are you saying that there’s a chance you might like NAMBLA?
By the way, as a Chinese person, I am doing everything possible to stop gold sellers on Warcraft. That’s all on us. We made them, we’re 100% responsible. Any harm they cause in game and out is my fault and the fault of the other 1.5 billion Chinese.
That is somewhat disorienting…
As Manthorpe says in the article I cited above:
"One of the two London butchers, Nigerian-born Michael Adebolajo, was radicalized by the cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, who headed the outlawed terrorist group Al-Muhajiroun.
The group follows Wahhabist teachings and advocates unifying all Muslims, forcibly if necessary, under a single fundamentalist theocratic government.
Similarly, the Boston bombers, Tamerlan and Dzokhar Tsarnaev, hailed from Russia’s southern predominantly Muslim province of Chechnya. Starting in the late 1980s, Saudi Arabia began dispatching Wahhabist clerics and radical preachers to Chechnya.
The spread of Wahhabism sparked not only a separatist war against the Russians, but also a good deal of violence among Muslims."
Do you seriously believe the Saudi financing of 210 Islamic centres, 1,500 mosques, 202 colleges and 2,000 madrassas (religious schools), staffed by Wahhabist preachers and teachers, and the frequent reports that this terrorist and that terrorist was radicalized in this or that Mosque are the result of pure coincidence?
Do you have any evidence of American-financed missions in other countries giving rise to the kind of violent radicalism we have seen from indoctrinated Muslims living in the west?
Once again I ask the following question not rhetorically but quite sincerely: Do we have any evidence of Muslim communities in western countries refusing the Saudi money and its attached Wahhabist doctrines? If we do have such examples, I will be delighted.
Global warming or evolution ? Oh my sweet summer child, American evangelists are exporting much better stuff.
Is the pie hallal?