The sad part is that the people screaming it the loudest never seem to hear the things they’re claiming never to hear. While the rest of us hear it quite plainly.
But that’s Human Nature. We only hear what we want to hear. 
It would look like the words and deeds of Mohammad.
It’s not so much that there’s deliberate ghettoisation or self-segregation, it’s that very large numbers of Bangladeshi and Pakistani people came to the UK as refugees in the 1970s and, because they were refugees, were given social housing, often the least desirable social housing in the least desirable areas.
Go to any council estate built after 1960 and you’ll find it’s majority Muslim, but go onto older estates, the kind with houses rather than tower blocks, and you’ll find a mix of different backgrounds. Because those places were less desirable, other people didn’t move in, and because social housing has become a huge asset at a time of rocketing rents, people cling on to them. Then Muslim families have an awful lot more kids than other families (except Hassidic Jews who, incidentally, are FAR more self-segregation) and those areas became massively changed within a generation.
The area I live in officially only has 33% Muslim residents but at the schools it’s a different story - two thirds of school students are from a Bangladeshi background, though at secondary school it’s over 90%. (From here Diversity) That leads to what is disparagingly called white flight but it annoys me that people act like this has no consequences for the non-Bangladeshi kids, especially the girls. Their classmates aren’t just a different colour to them, they speak a different language (usually they will speak English but can switch to Bengali if they want to), go to the same mosques, have parents who are friends, and attend many of the same social occasions. For girls it’s a particular problem because their classmates are expected to go home and help their mothers or study, not hang out with white friends. So the white girls are left with few options for socialisation with schoolfriends. Boys are better off if they play football.
So those non-Bangladeshi (not may white) parents who can leave often do by secondary school age, and the proportion of Bangladeshi kids at secondary school gets even higher. My daughter’s IT class was even partly conducted in Bengali, which she doesn’t speak. Although in most ways this has been a great place to bring up a child I have to admit that being in a tiny minority at secondary school has had its problems.
None of this is intentional. And what it means is that the minority extremists have a place to hide and flourish.
However, it is still a minority. How do I know? Because if it weren’t then the pubs, clubs and music venues etc that also flourish in huge numbers here would be under constant attack - that’s what such extremism demands, of course. I, a gay whose woman, would be attacked. There would be frequent bombs and other terrorist attacks - far more than there have been. The numbers simply do not add up for the extremist minority to be anything more than tiny.
WRT whether British Muslims report suspected terrorists: well, the perpetrators of the recent attacks had actually previously been reported by their friends and family. Real life seems to have different results to that much-quoted survey.
No, Britain does not have any laws against non-citizens owning property. Why would you make that assumption?
What are you talking about with “directing students onto programs that don’t benefit them?”
There is an awful lot of anti-Muslim prejudice but it’s been a couple of generations at least since there was any official government backing for it. That does mean that comparisons to black communities in America are really quite limited.
My question, as an American, is how British is the UK still? Over here, it is often said that Europe will pretty much be a Muslim region (with little ties to Western culture/society) and that the UK, and Germany especially, are on the fast track to cultural extinction; that by the middle of this century, British and German culture, as we generally understand it, will no longer exist and basically, Britain and Germany will be little different from a Muslim majority country in terms of culture. How true is this?
So untrue it’s not even worth debating.
The ‘EDL’ is like the size of a local biker gang. It seems to be bigger in the US than anywhere else. It’s so insignificant I struggle for the energy to engage. Sorry.
Brexit ads were xenophobic? Can you link to one?
You are barking up completely the wrong tree; I don’t know how you go there so it’s difficult to help but maybe you have added 2 + 2 and extrapolated. Untimely in the UK minorities are protected by the European Convention; they have exactly the same free at delivery healthcare, education, social and housing entitlement and any concentrations of population are self-determined - that generally mean home ownership.
Indeed, gov policy in the most concentrated areas has been geared to diluting minority concentrations.
You seem very, very lost.
Have a look at this: Today’s key fact: you are probably wrong about almost everything | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are the heroes speaking out against the intolerance they experienced growing up. ’
The Left simply looks foolish resorting to their lazy charges of “Islamophobe” when these are actual Muslims with an ocean of credibility as compared to the puddle represented by the white liberals on this board.
Yes, Islam needs a reformation. Suck it up, buttercups.
You said Brexit adverts, not opinion pieces - I’m sure you grasp the whole point of opinion pieces is, together, the represent the broad spectrum of views. It’s their point. Btw, this is the most recent piece by that contributor: It isn’t just young people who have turned to Labour. Muslims have too | Miqdaad Versi | The Guardian
You can tell yourself that as much as you would like, but that is irrelevant. Your invocation of the EC in this case is risible. You can have all the laws to guarantee the “right” to purchase homes that you wish, but when other laws place restrictions on the right of non-citizens to actually make those purchases the “rights” are meaningless. The restrictive laws are currently active in the EU, even if they are not on the books in Britain.
At any rate, attacking that point when I had already conceded that it might not be relevant is just odd.
I’ve got to echo SciFiSam, I have no idea what you’re talking about now.
Can you explain what you mean by right in inverted comma - there is a huge debate atm about what to do specifically about foreign property ownership in the Uk because foreign investors see the UK, and London in particular, as a safe haven; buying property, inflating the market, and leaving the property empty for years?
You do know Pakistani property ownership began in the 70s, and it is a choice as to where people live? Didn’t you ever see Bend it Like Beckham …
Have you now moved on from your ghetto / Brexit ads / rural Pakistani taxi driver points?
Does this help your case, tomndebb?
You talk to me like I don’t live here, like I don’t visit muslim friends in their houses, work with muslims, live in the same community?
I have to say this is a super bizarre exchange. With unnecessary pejorative embellishments from a Moderator, to boot.
Here’s an obvious lie:
Here’s another he admits to:
He tells the story he thinks his audience wants to hear. Concerning his views, I really don’t care because I think he’s just a showman. I saw him on Politically Incorrect recently and was left unimpressed. He’s one of those guys who cites statistics concerning Muslims’ endorsements of this or that awful belief. He offers words. He gives permission for nonMuslims to make generalizations about Muslims. But he’s offering nothing important and certainly nothing that adds to the toolbox of government in combating terrorism. If he never existed there would not be a net change in the world’s count of terrorists or terrorist incidents. There would be fewer books I guess, but in addressing terrorism, he’s of no value except to himself.
How is the problem of replacement birthrates in those two countries going to be solved, without what I said taking place?
Since the “problem” depends on the unspoken and unsubstantiated a priori assumption that the (undefined) bearers of the existing culture (whatever that is ) on the one hand, and Muslims on the other, will transmit their existing beliefs, customs, behaviours, aspirations and expectations to their children, and they in turn to their children, unchanged and in perpetuity…
…the question is - what is your problem?
you are saying that definitely didn’t happen? You merely link to article rather than the point in the article that establishes the lie.
where is the “lie” here? He was a radical for a long time and by his own admission it took a while to de-radicalise him. He didn’t resign from Hizb ut-tahrir until a couple of years after leaving jail
You “don’t care” about the views of a person you are criticising for the views they hold?
Look, you’ve either bothered to understand a person’s views or you haven’t. If you took the 5 minutes to read through the link I gave you and can point to the problematic views he holds then great, let’s have that debate. I guarantee that I do not agree with absolutely everything he says. But it seems like you have no idea what he actually believes. You certainly are unable (or unwilling) to point specifically to something he has said or a view that he holds that is problematic.
That’s not an ad either. The famous “breaking point” ad is clearly xenophobic though. Brexit adverts - Google Search
Tomndebb is definitely right about some Brexit ads being xenophobic, but the claim that foreigners can’t buy property in the UK is simply untrue and I’ve already asked for clarification on the “intentionally misleading poor students” thing and got none. Perhaps someone else can ask?
Given that I withdrew the claim about inhibitions to ownership back in post 54, I find it amusing that you keep harping on it.
I agree that the exchange has been bizarre, with you claiming that I am wrong about unspecified phenomena, in a rather insulting manner, then whining that I have used pejoratives. It is like your attempt to support your claim that Britain has no bars to non-citizen ownership of property–that appears to be accurate–with an appeal to EC standards that are violated by other EC nations. It would appear that you simply wish to be angry about something and it does not matter what.