What planet are you living on? There is no way you can compare terrorist acts committed today (among the different religions) and not come to the conclusion that Islam is being used as a weapon. Suicide bombers in the Mid East, train bombers in Spain and England, Beheadings and kidnappings in the Philippines, airline and city attacks in the United States, embassy bombings in Africa, attempted bombings in Canada, night club bombings in Indonesia, Church bombings in India, the destruction of antiquities in Afghanistan… It goes on and on and on and on and on and on. The common thread among all if it is Islamic extremism.
If there was an Islamic media watchdog group you’d already be dead for suggesting they’re a problem.
Umm its not being used as a “weapon” bombs, guns, airplanes, can be used as weapons. A religion cannot. Its being used as an EXCUSE. At this moment in time there appears to be a lot of Muslim Fundamentalists using Islam as excuse to commit atrocities. But there are still plenty of other Fundamentalists commiting violent acts in the name of thier favoured religion…
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/06/09/dragan.crimes/index.html
http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=20533&sec=46&cont=3
Most countries (Muslim or otherwise) have equivalent organisations. But my point is the PERMA (Pakistan’s) or PCI (India) are absolutely no threat to Gum’s freedom of speech (unless he lives in these contries). If he lives in the states, the FCC is. And its not Muslim or Hindu pressure groups that are influencing the FCC its christian ones.
Umm, yes its a weapon when you use it to recruit suicide bombers.
And you’re link about Serbia/Bosnia mentioned nothing about religion as motive but if you look at the bottom of your link there is a story about Islamic Cleric Abu Bakar Ba’asyir who was released from jail after serving a sentience for giving his blessing to the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings that killed more than 200 people.
Your cite advanced my position.
Your other cite was about a retaliatory riot after Muslims went on a rampage over caricatures of Muhammad. That would be going back to my point about Islamic intolerance of anything they disagree with in the media. They killed 18 people over caricatures originating in Danish newspapers.
Again, your cite has advanced my point.
From your second link, griffin1977:
Saturday’s protest over the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad in Maiduguri marked the first violent demonstrations over the issue in Nigeria. Police say at least 18 people, most of them Christians, died, and 30 churches were burned down. The Christian Association of Nigeria said at least 50 people were killed in the violence.
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I don’t CARE about the FCC.
I’m an Amsterdammer living in the Netherlands.
Surely you’ve heard of Amsterdam?
The place where Theo van Gogh was butchered by a muslim because he critisized islam?
Where members of the government are in hiding because they critisize islam?
Movies are forbidden [Submission]. Plays are forbidden [Aisha]. Songs are forbidden [The knife of god] by muslims. In the Netherlands.
Our queen doesn’t shake hands with the imam in a mosque [a mosque IN the Netherlands, yes] because a man can’t shake hands with a woman other than his wife, according to islam.
Muslim schools want separate swimmingpools for girls and boys. [IN the Netherlands, yes]
Muslim-cabdrivers refuse to take a blind man and his seeing dog into their cabs because a dog is unclean to islam. [cabdrivers IN the Netherlands, yes]
etc. etc. etc.
I’m a freakin’ atheïst and I’m sick and tired of both the bible and the koran, but christians never bothered me.
My freedom is being taken by one religion only: Islam.
In the Netherlands
I see no evidence in either cited article that anyone other than muslims are committing violent acts in the name of their religion.
From your second article, about Christians attacking Muslims:
We’ve got Muslims attacking Christians in the name of their religion. We’ve got pissed off Christians fighting back despite their religion.
Christians don’t commit atrocities while shouting “this is for Jesus!”
Muslims definitely commit atrocities while invoking Allah’s name and they commit these atrocities fully expecting a righteous reward from Allah in the afterlife.
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Apparently you have something in your eye.
Try this: :smack:
If REALLY think it Christian Orthodox fundamentalism wasn’t a motive you need to understand the conflict better. Admittidly other factors influence the conflict (but exactly the same thing could be said about muslim fundamentalist violence).
Oh and that makes it OK ? Or somehow unrated to religion? The conflict between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria goes back hundreds of years, and is fueled Christian fundamentalism just as much as Islamic. The previous batch of serious riots (in 2001) were primarily Christian instigated, though of course involved plenty of retaliation on the part of muslims.
Originally posted by griffin1977
You mean these 2001 riots?
In 2001, Nigeria’s Agbani Darego became the first black woman from Africa to be crowned Miss World. When Darego proclaimed in her acceptance speech, “Black is beautiful,” she made pageant history. Her crowning also ignited the worst year of trouble for the Miss World contest.
After Darego won the title, Nigerian leaders grabbed at the chance to host the event in 2002. They banked on the promise of the boost to tourism expected to accompany the pageant. They hoped to improve Nigeria’s image. But as soon as the country’s leaders won the bid for the 2002 Miss World contest, protests began.
A Muslim woman walks past a church destroyed during riots in Kaduna, Nigeria, in November 2002. Violence erupted between Christians and Muslims after a newspaper article about the Miss World pageant suggested that Prophet Mohammed might have chosen one of the contestants as his wife. More than 200 people were killed in the riots, with hundreds more injured and thousands displaced from their homes. (AP/Wide World Photos)
Human rights advocates called for an international boycott of the contest, protesting the treatment of women under sharia, the code of law based on the Koran recently enacted in 12 of Nigeria’s northern states. Some Miss World contestants answered the call to protest. Several countries’ delegates dropped out of the competition and rallied behind the campaign to save a Muslim Nigerian woman, Amina Lawal, sentenced to be stoned to death for adultery. Amid growing international attention to the case, the Nigerian government promised that Lawal’s sentence would not be carried out.
The Miss World contest would go on. But inside Nigeria, some Muslims expressed their own discontent over the competition, condemning it as an indecent spectacle. Contest organizers tried to quiet the criticism by postponing the pageant, originally scheduled during Ramadan, until after the Muslim holy month.
But after a young fashion writer in Nigeria wrote that Prophet Mohammed probably would have chosen one of the Miss World contestants as his wife, old tensions between Christians and Muslims exploded. Riots erupted in the northern city of Kaduna. The trouble spread to Nigeria’s capital, Abuja. The death toll exceeded 200 people, with hundreds of others reported injured.
How about an answer as to when my freedom will return? 
Again, this is your site. Show me where there is a religious leader who is involved in this.
No, it makes it retaliation in the face of barbaric behavior. And the relation to religion is the 18 dead who were killed by rioting Muslims over a CARTOON drawn in another country.
REALLY. What horrible Christian influence has curtailed your freedom of speech? Give me an example. We have more freedom of speech in the US than Europe has with its hate speech laws. The difference is that we ask for a little decorum when broadcast media is used.
But it you want to use that as a basis of debate then lets go with your hypothesis that we suffer for our Christian sin of religious censorship. Would you feel safe trash-talking Jesus in the US? Hell, it’s practically a sport. Conversely, would you feel safe depicting what Mohammed looks like? Nothing demeaning, just an image. How long do you think Madonna would live if she used Islamic symbolism during her US tour?
I was just thinking that exact same thing. The chick ain’t stupid. Wear cross, make semi-porno music videos, piss off Catholics, sell more records.
Piss off Islam? “What, do I look insane?”
Some Dutch Christians sure are harassing Muslims, though. Arson attacks on mosques, pig heads nailed to Muslims’ doors, a Muslim elementary school bombed, individual Muslims getting beaten up, etc. (And generally indiscriminate, too: that is, the anti-Muslim attacks mostly have nothing to do with any political extremism or militance on the part of the victims, just the fact that they happen to be Muslims.)
It’s easy for us white non-Muslims living in the Netherlands to imagine that Muslims are the only scary people out there. But that’s just because the non-Muslim scary people like to pick on the Muslims instead.
And speaking of that, how about the freedom of the many non-extremist, peace-loving Dutch Muslims who would like not to have their mosques firebombed and so forth by Dutch non-Muslims? When is their freedom going to return?
Mind you, I’m not defending violent or threatening behavior on the part of any group, and I think all such behavior on both sides should be strongly condemned. But I get pretty tired of hearing conservative white Dutch people whining as though threats to their own precious selves are the only things worth worrying about.
Examples of Christian religious leaders who were involved in the anti-Muslim violence in Bosnia? How about the ones who bestowed the Orthodox synod’s highest honor on Serb “ethnic cleanser” Radovan Karadzic?
“Ask for a little decorum”, in this case, equates to “use anti-indecency laws to levy fines on broadcasters that show something considered insufficiently decorous”.
Mind you, i personally don’t regard televised nudity or sexual content as my primary concern when it comes to free-speech priorities. But it’s silly to pretend that our somewhat prudish broadcasting restrictions don’t have anything to do with Christian groups aggressively promoting censorship, or that they amount to nothing more than politely “asking for a little decorum”.
That happened in November 2004. Right after Theo van Gogh was shot nine times in his leg, his throat cut and a knife - threatening some politicians who critisized islam and spittings at ‘the west’ - stuck in his belly.
Don’t be disingenuous.
But ofcourse!
The muslims are the victims!
Scary people pick on them, so they are the pitiful ones, right?
Scary people are the ones that refuse to take a blind man in his taxi, right?
As stated above, the mosque was attacked in November 2004.
At the same time several christian churches were set afire - by muslims.
But you do just that.
Every time a topic about muslims turns up.
Call your nearest imam.
You think I’m a conservative?
Hahahahahahaha 
Yep.
A social, pro gay-marriage, pro soft-drugs, conservative. That’s me.
btw: You know WHAT’s conservative?
Yes…
You guessed it:
Islam.
You’re the one being disingenuous if you’re trying to suggest that all the anti-Muslim violence in the Netherlands was confined to November 2004. Or did you just stop noticing anti-Muslim attacks after that—for example, when a Muslim elementary school was set on fire again in March 2005?
Some Muslims are victims of the non-Muslim scary people who pick on them. And some Muslims, on the other hand, are scary people inflicting or threatening harm to non-Muslim victims.
The thing is, I’m able to understand that there are scary people and innocent victims on both sides of the issue, rather than deciding that one side is only good and the other side must be only bad.
Unfortunately for your attempted argument, that’s a blatant lie. I defy you to find a single instance in any of these discussions where I condoned or excused violence or intimidation by anybody, Muslim or non-Muslim. I think everybody who attacks or threatens another person is a criminal who ought not to be tolerated, irrespective of their religion.
It’s just that, as I said, I’m capable of condemning violence and intimidation on both sides. I suppose with your bizarrely skewed viewpoint, that looks to you as though I’m defending violence on the part of Muslims. It’ll never make sense to me how you manage to misunderstand my point on such a colossal scale, but I’ve learned to put up with it.
Apparently so.
they’re not anti-decency laws, they’re decency laws. And duh, they represent what we, the people have asked for. They change over time with changes in society. I really feel for you suffering from the strain of politeness in the United States while Muslims slaughter people over a cartoon.
I’ll just put it this way: In the last 30 years MOST, but not all acts of terrorism around the world have been carried out in the name of what religion?
Islam.
I don’t care about the IRA, Basque Seperatists, Shining Path, whatever and I don’t care about thousand year old crap.
Lately, it’s the Islamic dudes, and sure not every Muslim is for the terrorists, but they damn sure have a lot of sympathizers or they would overthrow their own damn countries. Islam might not be a violent religion per se, but they are doing a damn good job of acting like it.
And people keep saying “it’s just the wackos or the leaders” Well, shit, if the people were that fed up about it, how come they aren’t rebelling? Oh, I forgot, if they say anything, off goes the head. Sharia and all that.
That’s quite an assertion, and one that’s horse manure.