What realities in particular, please? E.g., is it a reality that Palestinians and Jews hate each other too intractably ever to share a state, or is it not? Serious question.
I had * no idea.* My plan’s only flaw I guess
The Palestinians hate and resent the Israelis too much, and the Israelis mistrust the Arabs* too much.
- Incidentally, the way most Israelis see it, the conflict isn’t between Israelis and Palestinians, it’s between Israelis and Arabs. As far as Israelis are concerned, their fight is with the Arab world as a whole, with the Palestinians simply being the Arabs who are closest at hand. It’s a strange conflict when both sides believe they’re the underdogs.
No, Jews Muslims and Christians can’t legally intermarry within Israel.
Israel doesn’t have civil marriage. The only marriages performed within Israel, recognized by the Israeli government are ones performed by clerics recognized by the relevant religious organizations.
Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank shortly after Israel kicked them out and Egypt has repeatedly said they’d refuse the Gaza Strip.
Right. They’d refuse to take it even to grant it independence.
The OP’s desired “one-state solution” will be closer to fruition once he can point out to the Israelis all the current examples of Arab nations in which Jewish minorities live in harmony with Arab majorities, while possessing something resembling equal rights.
(crickets)
Or, to convince Israelis of the virtues of a “one-state solution”, perhaps all the Arab states who kicked their Jewish populations out after 1948 and took their property would welcome them back with full repayment plus interest.
(more crickets)
So, when I say there’s a “land grab” going on down there that’s not enough detail for you to figure out who’s grabbing whose land?
[rhetorically]Really?![/rhetorically]
At least, naïveté of the OP is explained.
Or, a joke of it.
Which conquest, exactly, do you consider to be the original “non-land-grab” conquest that you use as a metric here? Just, ya know, in case you have an actual metric.
Incredible post that explains a lot.
1st - *they hate us; we simply “mistrust” them *– no comment!
2nd - Arabs instead of Palestinians - no comment!
3rd - “closest at hand” - shouldn’t it be more precise to say: “Arabs” whose land we want.
4th - I was under impression that the involved side from Israel are religious crazies minority hell bent on screwing everyone up because of the fantasy tale?
5th – Israelis consider themselves “underdogs”? – Would 10 billion a year in weaponry make average Israeli give a chance to the idea that maybe, just maybe you have an upper hand?
What’s amazing is I’m sure you really **believe **this!
Really. The most obvious interpretation would be the Pals regarding the Jews as “land-grabbers”; OTOH, the Jews (some of them) seem to think they have some prior claim to the land and the Pals “grabbed” it while they were out; and, more importantly, that any proposal for a one-state solution might look to the Jews like one massive Palestinian land-grab.
Israel isn’t going to offer a one state solution. And even if they did, and the Palestinians accepted, there would be civil war within a few years.
You must live in a state of constant amazement. I envy you.
What makes you think there would be a civil war within a few years?
And who would start it?
- It’s pretty much SOP for all new countries.
- It’s really SOP in the M.E.
- There is so much bad blood between the parties
- Both sides could easily start it.
I find it hard to believe that you think unification could be done peacefully.
. . . WHY?!! There’s not a single Arab government left that seriously wants to be rid of Israel, and I doubt the Arab Spring will change that any.
Ah. Koom Valley.
If ever the Israelis offer it peacefully, it can be done peacefully, more or less, for certain values of “peacefully” and allowing for the inevitability, in this setting, of some entirely unofficial on-the-street mob-clashes. Which can happen without leading to war.
Well, certainly . . . but those religious crazies are not Jews alone.
And your example of this having ever happened in the Middle East is…?s
I trust you don’t need examples of when wars did break out in the Middle East.
Really? Because the emerging government in Egypt is starting to look pretty hostile, and there’s no sign that whoever ends up in charge in Syria will be any better. As for the rest of the Arab governments, who knows what they actually want? Most of them certainly haven’t taken any steps toward recognizing Israel or initiating diplomatic relations. If there’s any sign that their stated belief of the past 64 years - *Judea delenda est *- has changed, they certainly haven’t made it known to us.