How do we know there have been no news articles of her death? You’re assuming that we know her real name, when that is one of the things we’re not sure about. There have been no articles about her denying the story either. Absence of evidence or negative evidence is legitimate, but you have to look at it both ways.
Again, how do we know this is really her? And what is a current pic? Is is dated after her death? If she died a week ago, then having a picture that is merely two weeks old would be meaningless to the issue.
Remember I am not saying that she is alive or not or that this is a hoax or not. I’m saying that we have no good evidence for making any claims or comments either way despite all the people jumping to conclusions.
You can vote any way you want, and your can have any opinion you want. My point is that if this were any matter heavier than an internet kerfluffle that nobody has any stake in, you would be extremely foolish to use this level of evidence. It remains an example of believing what you want to believe despite rather than because of the facts.
That could all change tomorrow, of course. Facts could emerge at any moment. But they haven’t yet.
Is Lightspeed known for ‘antics like these’? I recall seeing some of his rants getting upped to the ‘best-of-USENET’ groups a few times back in the day. They were impressive tirades but justified as they were mostly replies to people who couldn’t understand why he would charge money for the images he took instead of giving them to an ungrateful public for free. Most of the replies calling him names seemed to be of the petty sort.
But it’s not heavier and no one is being extremely foolish - other perhaps than you who insists on making a mountain out of a molehill regarding this issue. There is evidence that her name is Tammy Saris. Several people who knew her when she was in high school have said so. These comments have shown up on a variety of forums at different times. They haven’t been particularly strident and most of them amount to nothing more than “Hey, I knew that chick in high school. Her real name is Tammy and she went to such-and-so high school in such-and-so town.” One guy posted a photo which I linked to that shows a yearbook photo of her in uniform on the school’s softball team with the name “T. Saris” in the list of the kids’ names below. So in my opinion that is fairly good though not absolutely conclusive evidence that her real name is Tammy Saris.
Then, no police reports or newspaper obituaries have been found on the internet regarding the death of anyone by the name of Tammy Saris. No mention can be found by current day friends talking about her current life, how she felt about her former porn career or how much they’ll miss her. Etc., etc., etc. So I think it’s not unreasonable to at least suspect fairly strongly that this girl’s real name is Tammy Saris and that she has not died recently in an automobile accident. Plus numerous comments can be found saying that Steve Jones and Lightspeed have done this kind of thing before.
I haven’t seen very many if any people in this thread coming to absolute conclusions about anything. And like you said, this is not a particularly consequential matter anyway, so why the worry that whatever suppositions we might make here would constitute extreme foolishness if the matter was of greater consequence? It isn’t, so we aren’t.
You wouldn’t perchance have anything to do with this girl or Lightspeed Media in off-board life, would you? You seem awfully intense about this issue, especially when you consider the fact that this forum is intended mostly for people to just shoot the shit about show business and is not Great Debates.
Evidence is evidence. Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. This issue is about one thing and one thing only: knowing how to think.
Most people can’t think. They don’t even want to think. That’s the most serious problem in our society. It’s at the base of every problem and our not being able to even discuss the problems with any sense. Intense about that? Yeah, I hope so.
It’s hard to teach people to think about the global economy. The problem is too big to understand. A small kerfluffle like this is perfect. You can fillet every statement and show why it works or is nonsense. It’s similar to The alleged Streisand porno thread. People are arguing back and forth based on 30-year-old frat memories about whether the woman in the photo looked like Streisand. Nobody thought to figure out what the right question to ask was. The right question was not, what did Barbra Streisand look like when she was famous, but, what did Barbra Streisand look like in the period when the porn loop was made? Turns out she had short hair from 1959 to 1961. The woman in the loop? A quick Google shows she had long hair. Knowing how to think always works, for any issue large or small.
Not knowing how to think leads to the kind of statement like the one of yours I quoted. I know which side I want to be on.
I don’t suppose it occured to you that the woman in the porn loop might have been Barbra in a wig?
Seems to me cognizance of that might be a better way to think.
Look. You’re making way too big a deal over this. No one is claiming it as undisputed truth that Tawnee Stone’s real name is Tammy Saris. No one is claiming as undisputed truth that Tawnee Stone under whatever her real name is, is alive And no one is claiming as undisputed truth that Steve Jones is lying about her death as a marketing ploy.
But at this juncture, and based upon the available evidence (or lack of evidence one would expect but which isn’t there), it’s certainly not unreasonable to have the suspicions that people have expressed in this thread.
And before you decide you are an authority on how people should think, perhaps you should recall this post, in which you were corrected about an erroneous assumption you had made about the author of a book on Hugh Hefner, which you made despite the fact that the correct information is available not only in print but online. Typically (at least by my observation) you never returned to acknowledge that you were wrong. So, where was your wonderful knowledge of how people should think when you arrived at that wrongful supposition.
And why didn’t you come back to thank me for giving you the right information so that you could think about it correctly from then on?
Really, man? You really want to go into peoples’ behaviors in other threads? Really? You want to get into your reputation? Really? You want me to list all the times your thinking processes have gotten you pitted?
I didn’t do that. I didn’t go near that. I didn’t go outside this thread at all. I merely called you on an egregious comment about me similar in tone to the one in this very thread that Fried Dough Ho got pitted for.
It’s not about people’s behavior in other threads (and I couldn’t care less what you do about my posting history). It’s about you assailing the rest of us for behavior that you’re guilty of yourself. You clomp around here issuing your lordly proclamations about this thing and that, carrying on now about how no one in the country knows how to think properly (save yourself, that is), and screeching that we’re making assumptions not based on fact.
You’ve completely derailed this thread by presuming to tell the rest of us how we ought to think, going so far even as to assail the thinking of everyone in society as a whole.
So, seeing as how we’re talking about everyone else everywhere, it never occured to me that the discussion here was to be limited only to things said in this thread. I went outside the thread in order to illustrate that you, contrary to your own fabulously inflated opinion, are no better than the rest of us poor schmucks and that you’re certainly in no postion to be derailing the thread and lecturing the rest of us on how we ought to be thinking in order to avoid making the very same false assumptions that you make yourself.
If pointing that out sends you into fits of apoplexy, all I can say is that it’s not entirely unexpected.
Did this news, or did it not, affect the traffic going to Tawnee Stone’s website?
The answer (which you know) is that yes it did. We’ll never know if it was a hoax of not unless Lightspeed Jones ever admits where he heard this rumor. And since he’s the only one to post about it, common sense points to him making it up. But the evidence clearly shows that this was a good thing, businesswise, for him. He profited directly from a single post on a single message board. So there’s no way you can spin it (not even by invoking the sheeple defense!) to alter that reality.
Tawnee stone is dead! Tawnee stone is just an imaginary porno girl created by Steve of lightspeed, that got fused in the viewers minds. She is dead as there has been no more new pics of her for around 5 years now. So she’s obviously dead and steve is tryin to make money out of it.
[[MOD EDIT]] I know her, her husband and her friends. She’s no more a porn chick, shes following a successful and decent career [[EDITED]] I’ve talked to her about her porn career and she doesnt really hesistate to talk about it, she told it was for makin money for her college and living and she did it from 2001 to 2005. She is a very good person who has great values for life now and lives a happy life.
Forgive me if I don’t take your word for it, but can you offer any evidence of either you knowing her, or at the least that she was not killed in the claimed recent car accident?
@GuanoLad… i could show u some pics of her and her husband. some of her wedding pics, i clicked (i was invited for her wedding in chicago in 2009 )… and pics of her in some parties which i was also attended… i couldnt give any of her personal infos like her address or phone nos or stuff like that …
demonictom, I’m going to assume that you’re on the up and up and not perhaps a board member out to prove to us all how gullible we are.
Tammy seems to live a pretty open life and her real name and the general area where she lives seems to be common knowledge in certain circles. I would think therefore that she’d have considerable problems with stalkers, given the search-for-pay sites that exist these days and such. Does she have trouble keeping her private life private and living a safe and normal life? And what impact does her notoriety have on her working life?
Another thing I’m curious about is whether “Saris” is her maiden name or her married name? It would seem that Saris is the name she goes by (you use it, for example), and some of the people in internet forums who claim to have known her in high school say that Saris was her name then. So if Saris is indeed her maiden name I’m curious to know why she still goes by it, since would seem that continuing to go by such a well known name in porn circles would make it hard for her to keep her life private and herself unaccosted.
@ Starving Artist, Tammy lives an open and happy life with her husband and her friends. She has had problems with stalkes alot of times, like she had to quit her [[EDITED]] as she was getting lots of phone calls and stuff from stalkers she said… but it doesnt really hamper her from having a social open life. Whenever i met her, she was so cheerful and smiling in parties and stuff like that… well she did have some problems from crazy stalkers but she seems getting over it and live a happy life…
About her name, [[EDITED]]. He was always supportive to her choice and she made good money out of her porn career. She did only softcore except one that was with him… and she quit in 2005 [[EDITED]]. i’m giving you the below link so that you guys know i aint lying It is about her contract renewal dispute with lightspeed happened in 2005, she didnt renew the contract with Steve jones of lightspeed and quit porn completely.
Well, that was the end of her porn career and begining of a new life . I dont know how many of her friends know she was doing porn before, anyways she is on a new track of life away from porn. shes not very hesitated to talk about her past. She once told me she left her home and parents and moved to Arizona and so she needed some high paying job that could help her with the tuition costs and a living. She made it, [[EDITED]] quit porn, got married and she’s still ALIVE and live a happy life.
Welcome to the board, demonictom. I’m sure you mean well, but I don’t think sharing that much personal information about “Tawnee” is a good idea. As you say, she’s retired from porn and not in the public eye anymore. So I’ve deleted some of the specifics from your posts about her.
Thats absolutely okay Marley23. i really didnt mean to disclose her personal infos, i was just sayin what she really is and how her life goes now, and also to state that i wasn’t lieing
Thank you for your answers, demonictom. Natuarally I’m even more curious about the items that were deleted, but it’s probably their deletion that makes them extra interesting. Upstanding and non-stalking type person that I am :), I know that I would never have misused the information but someone else might. Plus I imagine there are board liability issues to consider. Anyway, thanks again for the informative answer. I’m glad to hear she’s alive and doing well.
The link regarding her contract dispute was interesting too.
I’m sorry dude … Well, its good they edited it, even i was thinkin about deletin that personal info part… cause i put so much of infos that might help creepy stalkers (not you ) out ther… Anyways shes alive and good …
)… and pics of her in some parties which i was also attended… i couldnt give any of her personal infos like her address or phone nos or stuff like that …
It is about her contract renewal dispute with lightspeed happened in 2005, she didnt renew the contract with Steve jones of lightspeed and quit porn completely.
) out ther… Anyways shes alive and good