It wasn’t a coup

The ugly truth is that the origins of our politics are aristocratic in nature; our Constitution is an aristocrat’s constitution that didn’t so much value democracy as it did checks and balances against autocracy - and it’s important to understand the difference.

The U.S. has gradually become more democratized over the decades and centuries since our country’s founding. Conservatives read the Constitution selectively and treat it like the Bible so that they can justify their regressive anti-democratic policies. Conservatives are probably operating under the assumption that they can implement a more pro-aristocracy/plutocracy interpretation of the Constitution while maintaining essentially the same degree of political stability, but I think they are mistaken. The Constitution of 1791 and the federal government of the early 19th Century isn’t the federal government we know now, and if we destroy the institutions and try to create the country in the image of the Framers again, I think there will be political clashes and revolution.

I like to think of it as Donnie’s Little Douche Coup.

Well, whatever it was, it was definitely

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… coupcoup.

Thanks for the links, and excusefuckingme for missing this turdlet in the shitstorm.

My more pertinent question remains: Resignation, schmesignation – why isn’t she being charged with conspiracy to assassinate the SOTH?

That’s good. Really good.

The USDOJ Inspector General is investigating whether any DOJ officials (current or former) improperly tried to overturn the election results. (See, e.g. the story about a DOJ official proposing that Trump fire Acting AG Rosen and install him to that position so he could help overturn the election.)

I really don’t get how anyone could argue this was not an attempted coup.

It was set into motion months if not years in advance. In light of Trump’s ongoing statements and also what is known about him, people were talking well before the election about what what would happen if he refused to accept the results of the election. He was blatantly and specifically setting this up months before the election, by setting up claims that voting by mail was rife with fraud.

There were articles about what people should do if Trump engineered a false “win” (like, in the exact way he was trying to do, by getting officials to change numbers, throw out votes, refuse to certify counts, send competing slates of electors, or have Mike Pence just lie about the electoral vote count).

He told violent supporters to “stand down and stand by,” ahead of the election.

People were discussing, based on actions and chatter, the possibility of his supporters rising up and attacking multiple government targets at the state and federal levels, exactly as they did.

After the election, he over and over denied having lost, and whipped up his supporters with fraudulent claims of massive election fraud, which a majority of members of his party believe (even now).

He threatened state officials and asked them to falsify results. He, or people on his behalf, tried to get officials to not do their ministerial (that is, their required) duty of certifying vote counts.

On the 6th, he and his surrogates whipped up the crowd with claims of a stolen election, told them to March to the Capitol. He told them they needed to fight for their country. Then he stayed silent while his supporters broke into the Capitol building and sought out hidden lawmakers, who’d had to flee while in the process of counting the votes that would declare Biden the official winner of the election. He’d engineered baseless objections to that process, with over a hundred congressional supporters lending credence to his claims of massive election fraud.

Militias planned and plotted ahead of time, then attempted to carry out their plans to capture and/or kill legislators and Pence during the assault on the Capitol. Security at the Capitol was compromised, and National Guard troops were withheld by Trump or Trump officials until Pence, who was under siege, approved their use.

Afterward, Trump conveyed his love to the people who assaulted the Capitol, and reiterated that the election had been stolen, even after the insurrection was over.

We are still in the process of sorting out who-all was involved inside of the government.

I know some people don’t want to believe it could happen here, but if you imagine this being an account from another country, I don’t think there’s be any doubt.

I’m in the camp that doesn’t believe it’s accurate to refer to it as stupid or doomed to failure. There were multiple points where it failed only because public officials stood up to his pressure, at enormous personal and political cost. If you flip a couple of those choices to ones going along with it, we could have had an initially successful coup, followed potentially by a crisis about who the military and police would side with, followed by much more fighting.

How would you know if the FBI were investigating her? They aren’t going to publicise the investigation, and will move slowly and carefully considering she is a member of congress…

Excellent post, only quibble:

It was “stand back and stand by.”

Don’t mean to be pedantic, but I think that it is an important distinction.

Yes, I was going to double check because it didn’t sound right, but I forgot to go back. I agree that it’s significant. Thanks for correcting it.

Yes, you’re probably right.

A coup always involves violence, basically if power is seized from a government in a way that is sudden, violent, and illegal, it is considered a coup. You are correct that it doesn’t have to be the military though in many cases it is because they are usually the ones most likely to be successful at using violence to take power. So I totally agree with you here, what we saw was an attempted coup; not a military coup, but it fits the general definition.

Well…that’s once today! Please be sure to tell my wife…

I like to think of it as a white nationalist backlash to losing control of the levers of power. White conservatives have relied on the state to terrorize black people, now that they are having to share power with outside groups, they are resorting to overt terror. It’s no coincidence that this happened on the heels of the GOP losing control of Georgia.

Not to mention that the writer of that article conveniently omits what took place a few years right after Salazar died, it did not matter that his replacement did follow a lot of what Salazar did.

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It’s not a purely racially-motivated movement; it’s more like oligarchy who use ethno-nationalist themes as outreach.

In some ways, Donald Trump is the perfect representative of the movement. I don’t necessarily see Trump as consciously flag-burning racist; he’s absolutely racist on some level but I don’t think that he sees himself as a leader of white nationalism. He’s just a corrupt oligarch who realizes that white nationalism is a tool to gain power.

Trump’s aggressive rampant racism as a business dude decades before he thought about politics is well attested.

If he had a red button on his desk that would eliminate all the non-whites in the USA do you think he’d happily push it? I do.

For what that button push did for his feelings. Not for how rapturously joyous it would make the white nationalists. That’d just be a nice bonus his ego could bask in.

Oh no question, his family’s discrimination is legendary – I think he’s definitely got a few racist bones in his body. I just don’t think he’s consciously racist or motivated on a personal level by racist ideology. I guess that might not seem like much of a distinction, but he’s okay with having Ben Carson and other Black officials in his White House and even as useful clients or associates, which isn’t true of all Republicans.

“I guess I’ll have a Diet Coke, then.”

As long as they don’t get anywhere near his finances.