It makes a big difference. A little leak into a bag without food is not a big deal, a little leak into a bag with food spoils all the food. Now if that little leak is unnoticed and you feed your family and friends with it, you could make them sick, that’s an even bigger deal. When I worked for a grocery store, we were trained SPECIFICALLY not to do what this kid did. You don’t pack poison in with the food, it’s that simple. It IS a big deal if someone does.
Yes, that’s entirely possible.
Erek
You say this and I’m the dumbass? They sell pure lye in the grocery store. They sell rat poison too, but I suppose that’s not really dangerous to eat either. If it’s not dangerous, why the assault charge on this sprayer, but no assault charge on the perfume sprayers in department stores?
There is a big difference with the odd spray or two in a bag with cleaning products and a spray that douses your head of lettuce. If there is any sort of leak whatsoever, you can wind up eating poison if the poison was in a bag with food. If it’s in a bag with non food items, then it is less likely you will ingest poison. Granted, it’s highly unlikely that you would die by ingesting a small amount of ant spray but you can certainly get sick, and who needs that?
IMHO hate crimes exist because the crime affects not just the one person, but the race in general. It creates a feeling of fear and despair for everyone of that race, it is an attack on the race. Coming up with a hateful name while assaulting someone does not cause harm to the entire race. Lynching a black man for dating a white woman does cause widespread fear and harm and deserves punishment that accounts for that.
That’s not worth a pitting, it’s stupid nitpicking of a situation where, by your own admission, you don’t know some important details. It’s easy for you to say race wasn’t a factor - this guy wasn’t screaming “You stupid nigger [or whatever]” while spraying bug spray in your face! I hope your imagination is capable of understanding why a guy who actually experienced that might feel there was a racial motivation to the whole thing.
You somehow doubt, but you don’t actually have a clue. I’m perfectly willing to believe that the guy just snapped and insulted the kid with whatever racial epithets came to mind when he was really just angry about the bug spray, but pitting the kid for feeling this was racially motivated? That’s fucking stupid. Pit him for doing something dangerous with the bug spray if you want, but for “playing the race card?” You’re being a moron. Actually, the fact that you’re pitting the kid in the first place makes you look like a complete asshole. I guess it looks different since the kid wasn’t hurt, but he could have been blinded. And you’re fixated on “the race card?” What the hell is wrong with you?
And since that’s entirely possible, you shouldn’t be pitting the victim for feeling that that’s what happened.
Now I would like to thank Qadgop for giving another perfect example of the lack of nuance that I am describing. See he assumes an either/or scenario, that somehow it would abrogate the responsibility of the criminal for his action for the “innocent victim” to learn something about cause and effect.
I don’t think that the Psycho is innocent, but the kid did something incredibly stupid. People here seem to think that what he did was minor, it really wasn’t, in fact it’s about the ONLY actual responsibility a bagger at the checkout has. Your job is to put food into bags, make sure the bread and tomatoes don’t get crushed, and that the RAID doesn’t get packed in with the ground beef. That’s the crux of his responsibility, and he FAILED AT IT, with something that was potentially FATAL.
Did he deserve to get sprayed in the face? No.
but…
The kid was a fucking idiot.
The thing that scares me the most about your post is that you have patients. Maybe learning a little bit about what people did that set them off might help you treat them. Good luck with that! It seems to me you might have trouble making headway if you look at all your patients as unthinking monsters, and that you MUST see them as unthinking monsters or let them go.
Erek
…the WFTV article is a piece of fluff. We really don’t know what happened in this incident. mswas , your assumption that the bug spray was placed in the same bag as the food is based solely on the word of the accused’s wife. The victim says it was racially motivated. For all we know he did put the items seperately, and Robert did assault him based on his race. If you want to take the word of Mrs Carroll go ahead, but she could hardly be called the most reliable of sources…
Yeah, I posted a thread on an internet message board on a whim this morning. What was I thinking? Oh the humanity!!! What have I done? It’s awful. That poor child, someone he’s never met made fun of him to other people he’s never met on a message board he probably doesn’t even know about! How will I ever live with the guilt?! I oughta be ashamed.
But I’m not.
Erek
I hate you because you’re a kiwi
Of course it is possible that he’s met some of you, and that he knows about this message board. But then again if he’s so dumb as to pack bug spray in with food, maybe he can’t use a computer.
Nah, I think he can’t use a computer because he’s (insert race here0
Erek
I don’t care if you’re ashamed of yourself or not; I wouldn’t expect you to be. I’m just saying you’re an idiot. Good try at laughing it off, though. “The race card” set you off even though you admitted repeatedly that race could have been involved. The fact that this kid was harrassed and had bug poison sprayed in his face? Eh. Not a big deal, it was probably his own fault. Your priorities suck.
mswas, based on a few lines on a newslink, you’ve declared this kid to be a “grade A imbecile”, and that he was not an “innocent victim”, and now that he is “a fucking idiot”. Way to jump to conclusions.
Based on what I know of your statements here in this thread and on many previous threads, I referred to your assertion about his not being an “innocent victim” as a “load of tripe”. Notice I referred to what you said, not what you are.
And now you see fit to lecture me about dealing with patients? :rolleyes:
I suspect my abilities in dealing both firmly and compassionately with both victims and predators are light-years ahead of yours.
You people are crazy. Separate bags for bug spray? How about separate carts? I mean you wouldn’t want to walk around the grocery store with a potential bug spray *bomb *right under your nose. Hell, better yet, hire a [insert race card here] to buy your bug spray for you. Maybe they should just sell it outside the store in locked containers like they do LP gas.
And watch out for that tooth whitener. Any of that stuff gets in your eye and you could go blind. Packing that with the food is just asking for trouble. You do know they sell paring knives at grocery stores, don’t you? One of those puppies slips his cradle and you can kiss Mr. Happy Hand goodbye. Just sayin’.
mwas. Consider that just because it was placed in a bag with food, it needn’t have been anything particularly dangerous. How do you know it wasn’t the sprayer didn’t flip out because the clerk stuck a can of Raid in a bag with a bunch of canned peas?
Plus, the assault was caught on tape, which strongly suggests they hadn’t even left the register when it happened.
This could have been resolved a lot more easily.
What would really be funny (if it weren’t so pathetic) is if the victim was white and the assailant was black.
My priorities suck only if I am prioritizing things. The kid can be a dumbass and the guy can be a psycho and the two things are not mutually exclusive, nor does it stop the race card being pulled everytime something bad happens from being a dumbass maneuver. I never said getting bug spray sprayed in his face wasn’t a big deal. I was pitting him for losing my sympathies. The whole time I read the article I was like “Poor guy” despite the sheer stupidity of the ‘alleged’ action he took in the article. If I go beat up the first person I see on the street right now, would it be racially motivated if they were black? It’s very likely to be a black person because I live in a predominantly black neighborhood.
It would be shitty of me to beat them up, but it wouldn’t be racially motivated. It would be equally shitty if I beat up a white person. If it were a black person I might be yelling “You stupid nigger.” if it were a girl I might be yelling “You stupid whore”, if it were a white man, I might be yelling “You dickless pussy”. It wouldn’t make it racially motivated, even though I picked hurtful things to say based upon what might hurt the person involved.
So I don’t know what the full story of that article is, and I probably never will. I think pulling the race card all the time is stupid. I think that pitting someone is not a big deal. It was something stupid I read, and felt like pitting. You act like this is hallowed ground. The best time I had here in the past few months was a thread about Paris Hilton.
My ‘priorities’ have nothing to do with this. I chose that article because the guy lost my sympathy at the end. As far as I am concerned the people I am dealing with are fictional characters, and all I know about them is what was written in the article.
If you want we can get all serious and talk about why I would want to pit the race card, and I can tell you about my frustrations at white liberals who think I should feel guilty about the plight of the black man, even though I am NICE to black people, and get along with them just fine. I could talk about how yesterday I felt really uncomfortable because I was talking about a novel I just read where one of the characters took over a city and crushed the economy by freeing all the slaves, and I was overheard on the train by a couple black people and got some looks. I am pitting racism as a whole, I am pitting what I think is an overused and abused sympathy card. It’s like “Dude you got sprayed in the face, I have sympathy, you don’t need to say it was racially motivated to get my sympathy.” in this case he lost my sympathy by playing the card.
So this article was a convenient foil for me to express frustration over an issue that I find irritating.
No I don’t know the whole truth, nor do I care, but the Pit is about expressing frustration, so I did. It was nice, it was cathartic, and you take yourself WAY too seriously.
Erek
Ha ha. You spray me in the face with ANYTHING without my permission, much less a poison, and it’s an attack. The guy’s lucky he got out of the store without the clerk justifiably pounding his skull into the ground.
I refer you back to your strawman about letting criminals out of jail because I think this kid could have avoided his predicament by being slightly less stupid.
contrapuntalIt really IS a big deal to put insecticide in with food. I don’t know why people don’t think it is, but it is. Having a few polymer bags between your food and your insecticide is a good idea, and it does make a difference. That’s why we invented things called “containers”. It’s not so much about the food being eaten and killing someone, it most likely won’t, but if the container breaks in the process of shipping it home you lose all the food packed together with it, and that’s a big deal.
If I were the kid’s manager, and a customer complained that this kid was packing groceries like that, I’d give him a warning, and tell him that the next time, he would be fired, because it’s that serious. It’s the ONLY responsibility he has. The only thing in his job that he can do besides leaving a wet puddle on the floor that could potentially harm the customers.
No, I don’t think he deserved to get sprayed, but that’s irrelevant.
Erek
A-fucking-men
In case more of you wanted to educate me:
I get it:
Incidentally I thought of both of these things before posting.
Thanks,
Erek
mswas, if you beat up a black person while calling him a stupid nigger then it will take rhetorical skills far greater than your own to convince anyone it was not racially motivated, your proclivity toward creative definitions notwithstanding.
I bet some of your best friends are black, too.
I, for one, salute you.
Tell that to Virginia
It is nothing more than common sense to keep things like raw chicken, cleaning supplies and poison from contaminating food.
I can’t believe I’ve been put into the position of having to defend the idea of packing poisons separately from foods. It’s POISON!