This thread is infected with the presumption that there must, necessarily be only two gender roles available to a person.
-FrL-
Yeah, and once you switch teams, no backsies! I don’t get what this “once he decided to live as a man” crap is all about. Did he sign a lifetime contract, or something?
I think I’m going to decide to live as a woman just long enough to go into the ladies room to use the can. Then when I’m done I’ll be a man again. Next time I have to go? Wash, Rinse Repeat.
I’ll just be a woman when it suits my desire of the moment. Right?
What exactly is the problem with that, out of curiosity?
If I could have any super-power it’d be tough to decide between walking through walls and being able to change into a hot chick at will.
If you changed into a hot chick and I was attracted to you, would that make me gay?
-FrL-
(Assuming here that you are a guy and not an un-hot chick.)
Okay, sorry, that wasn’t clear from what you wrote. I apologize for my misunderstanding.
I wouldn’t say I was “raging” in my post, so apparently I’m not the only one with sub-par reading comprehension skills. I was a little short with you, because you came into a thread several days after it had died, didn’t bother to read it, and restated things that had already been addressed repeatedly. Despite being less-than-perfectly respectful to you, I did at least attempt to address what you were saying. Any chance of you doing the same, for me or anyone else in this thread, or is this going to be a one man Cubsfan show from here on out?
Sure - I can believe there are lots of reasons. It’s not easy to change your body that drastically, there are risks and repercussions and it might not be worth it to that person. I don’t think that means he must not really want to be a man, or that he is switching back, or anything. But I don’t get why it matters if a man is pregnant or not from a moral standpoint - there is nothing morally wrong with being male, female, or pregnant. After going through pregnancy myself, I would love it if my husband could do it for me next time!
I do see gender as kind of in your soul, or inside your mind, or whatever you want to label it. If we all become bodiless heads (a la Futurama) or something, I mean, I would still be a female bodiless head if that makes sense.
I watched the Oprah interview with them the other day. They really seem like a very rational, sane, ordinary couple. I hope they don’t get targeted or harassed now that they are known.
On second thought, I want to retract this post. It’s unecessarily confrontational, and I’ve been trying to avoid that tone in my posts in this thread. Cubsfan, my apologies for being a jerk to you about this.
If you don’t mind, I did have some points in my first post to you that I’d be interested in seeing you respond to. I’ll post them here again, cleaned up a little bit so they don’t come across (I hope) as antagonistic.
You said this couple should adopt, but have you really considered if that’s a reasonable solution for them? Adoption is an incredibly difficult and expensive process even if you fit the contemporary preconceptions of what a “normal” family should be. For gay or transgendered couples, it’s nigh-impossible. Assuming that they had no other avenues towards having a kid, should they give up on ever having kids at all?
As for the repurcussions of their decision on this kid itself, I don’t see how this is different from any other scenario where a transgendered person has a child. How would it be less damaging for a child to be adopted by a transgendered parent than it would be for one to be born to a transgendered parent? How would the kid even know which parent gave birth to him? You’ve indicated that you don’t have an objection to transgendered folks raising kids in general, and I don’t see how this case is any different at all: the only difference here is who’s pregnant with the kid, and that difference is per force going to be resolved before the “raising the kid” part even starts.
Apologies accepted. Sorry for being a dick in return.
To answer your question, if they couldn’t adopt for whatever reason then no, I don’t think they were meant to have kids together. Unless he is prepared to be called “mommy” then he shouldn’t bear a child. And before you (or someone else)say it, no not all mommies bear children but ONLY mommies bear children.
And I weep for the tragic burden your disability (to wit, lack of immunity from bouncers) inflicts on you, but surprisingly the paradox in no way forces the evacuation of Thomas Beatie’s uterus so I guess you’ll just have to deal with it.
Can you explain the reasoning behind that? Surely, there’s more to it than, "People who get pregnant must be called “mommy.” (Which criteria, incidentally, my own mother fails: I’ve always called both my parents by their first name.) Also, can you answer the questions in the second paragraph of my last post?
Huh. I’ve always called mine “Captain Flash” and “Miss Haversham.”
And how does your father feel about being addressed as “Miss Haversham”?
You know, we’ve never discussed it.