Actually, you can’t search the file because it’s just a scan and hasn’t been OCRed.
I don’t know why you won’t quote it. It’s no more upsetting than what we’ve been discussing in this thread already. Here’s what it says about the graduate assistant and Victim 2:
The purpose of mandated reporting is to take the legal burden off of the reporter (who in many cases might only have suspicions) and place it on the state investigating agencies where they belong.
The reporter shouldn’t investigate - they should merely make suspicions known to the police or child welfare agencies, as applicable, and let them investigate.
The alternative, frankly, is the kind of chaos we are seeing here, where people use their own judgment, possible apply their own agenda, and more kids get abused.
The incident with Sandusky performing oral sex on the kid pinned against the wall was witnessed not by the GA, but by the janitorial staff. The GA saw a different encounter.
As a Penn State grad, I’m rather disgusted. Posters above are right- JoePa is one of the faces of Penn State, not just their football coach. His influence has raised tens of millions of dollars for the University, and he personally has donated millions. He has always run a classy program, stressed education above football, acted like a stand-up guy. His recent achievement of 409 wins, not to mention his decades as a magnet for high school players from across the country, has just been overshadowed by stupidity and short-sightedness. He could have shut down Sandusky’s future sexual assaults years ago.
What the hell were you thinking, Joe? This will taint the University and the football program for a long time.
I’m not in the habit of thanking people for providing me things that make me ill, but I do thank you. Jeez, I don’t even like children, but I can’t imagine not calling the police in a case like this.
Personally I doubt that he’d care about the Sandusky investigation (if there even was an investigation) if he were planning to commit suicide. I can see destroying his hard drive to clear his own name for the ages, but why would he have cared about Sandusky? I just don’t see him saying to himself “OK, better clear that retired coach before I go leave my live-in girlfriend, my family, and my constituents totally in the dark by throwing myself in the river without even leaving a note.”
As someone who not only went to Penn State, but as someone who was born on Penn State’s campus, I’m certain you’re actually seriously underestimating JoePa’s clout there. “Probably the most powerful man at PSU”? If he wanted the president of Penn State to resign, the president would go without a struggle, because nobody would have backed him against Joe. There simply is no stronger person at any campus, anywhere.
It’s entirely possible to say that without JoePa there might not BE a Penn State. You laugh, but back in the days Pennsylvania was considering a satellite-style campus system much like the one New York State has, in which the “Old Main” campus would be just one of a bunch of campuses spread out around the state with their own specialties. Fact was, few students wanted to go to State College, out in the middle of nowhere with very little to do outside of classes, for four years. My dad went there starting in 1965 and really only went because of its engineering program. Until the football program started getting national attention, there really wasn’t much of a campus identity (much as the school would have you believe otherwise, most of its “long-standing traditions” aren’t that long-standing). When JoePa put the campus on the national map, high-school grads suddenly wanted to be a part of it. The satellite idea was scrapped, although it lives on in the branch campus two-year program.
Agree, that is ripe bullshit by the Paterno son. I recall the rumors that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was a serial child abuser in the 50’s, and that all his colleagues knew about it but didn’t do anything about it because, well, he’s a senator and who’s going to stop him, so just don’t leave him alone with young kids. People knew back then about the creepy old guys you couldn’t trust with kids, they just didn’t have the balls to actually do anything about it.
Yup, yup, yup. 
MODALIZE’s comment about Paterno’s comments on Sandusky’s retirement explain everything. He knew.
I don’t know if you’ve read the indictment (it’s linked CNN, and it’s fairly graphic so I’ll invoke the two-click rule) but it seems like Sandusky had many, many opportunities to abuse children even AFTER suspicions were raised. With one of the victims, who he was “coaching” to be a wrestler, high school officials caught the guy red-handed in compromising positions with a kid several times before somebody thought, “Whoa, something’s not right here.” And even THEN they did nothing until the kid’s parents lodged a formal complaint, by which time the kid had been molested over 20 times. Again, all these things are still allegations, but there’s a clear pattern of pedophiliac behavior: get busted at one venue where he can get unobstructed access to kids, find another one.
I suppose they do, but what’s the legality of suing a state institution? I’m not asking rhetorically, I really don’t know.
Oh, BTW, they’ve been painting the accuser who saw the incident as some know-nothing graduate assistant. You know how the words “graduate assistant” make it sound like he was some go-fer for the coaching staff, who then left to get some nebbish job somewhere else. Think again.
That’s right folks. That “poor GA” who witnessed the sexual assault in the showers is A CURRENT ASSISTANT COACH AT PENN STATE. Somebody who talks to JoePa EVERY DAMN DAY.
McQueary, you should be resigning yesterday. As for you too JoePa. God. :mad::mad::mad:
Paterno and these guys who’ve apparently perjured themselves, if these allegations are true, are worse than Sandusky, IMO. Sandusky arguably has some form of psychological illness or compulsion, which I’m not saying is an excuse, but these other guys did it because… he’s a good coach? To protect the football program? To spare themselves and the school embarrassment?
That they condoned and enabled child sexual abuse for any or all of these reasons should make them eligible for the same punishment Sandusky eventually gets.
And I’ll throw in the ex-grad assistant too. He has to go ask daddy what’s the right thing to do? Certainly when it became clear that nothing was being done, he should have stepped forward.
It’s an interesting university, where nobody seems to know anything.
:rolleyes:
Because they couldn’t allow the cash cow that is the Lions and the brass god named Pa-Ter-No to become tarnished.
Absolutely.
If you read the indictment, JP and one or two others use the term “horsing around in the shower.” Now, of course, there is absolutely no legitimate circumstance in which an adult man can be in a shower at the same time as a ten year old boy.
We don’t know the exact way the GA phrased what he told JP. The indictment says that the GA went to see Paterno and “reported what he had seen.” The next paragraph says that JP then told the AD (Curley) that he had received a report that Sandusky had been seen “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to a young boy. Curley then followed up with the GA who explicitly said “anal intercoure.” Schultz (V.P. of Finance) was at that meeting, that’s why they’re both in hot water. No one (AFAICT) has been willing to swear that Paterno heard the phrase “anal intercourse.” That seems to be the distinction the prosecutors drew for not indicting him.
Which of course is a distinction without a difference. WTF, it was okay to kick the can down the road when it was (arguably, to give Joe the benefit of the doubt) “only” fondling? No one comes out of this looking very good (including the GA, who may or may not have been too tongue-tied or shocked to describe in exact terms what he saw).
I’d be pretty okay with the summary execution of Sandusky, the immediate firing of Paterno, and 20 year prison sentences for Curley and Schultz.
If Paterno or any of them had reported it to the police as they should have, would he have been tarnished? I would think they could have hired some spin doctors to make them all into heroes.
I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, or a good thing to do. I’m just saying that it’s what they did. I personally think it was an incredibly bone-headed thing to do, not to mention morally reprehensible, but they’re not paying me hundreds of thousands of dollars to make those decisions, so…
This is just not true. As a child I took gym classes at the YMCA, and adults and children mixing in the locker room and showers was routine. Not mixing fluids, of course. And I’ve been to other facilities, mostly public pools, as an adult, and the same was true.
Of course as a former Penn State student I’ve had more than my share of run-ins with the Penn State administration and I can confidently say that they are just that boneheaded.
I could have made the right decision for a lot less money. Hell, if I witnessed it, I would have made the right decision for free!
I should have phrased that differently as I do see kids with their Dads changing for the pool at my gym.
There’s no legitimate reason for a grown man to be in the same shower, one on one, with a boy, let alone a boy not related to him.
*having acknowledged your point I have to note that maybe the policy of mixing might need to change. I did something similar to your classes at a nearby community college and even at the age of 12 I figured out that there were several dudes who seemed to always be in the locker room, never really swimming or working out, and fiddling around with their locker while glancing a little too much at me and my classmates.
I’m almost curious as to how The Lion-Heart[del]less[/del]ed is playing this. Do they still publish?
I’d like to thank all of you for opening my eyes today. As this thread developed, the evidence was presented in a way that was so damning that any DA would do well to study it. This is something that would have been much harder for myself as a casual news viewer to absorb had I not had read this thread.
This is mind-blowing stuff. It makes Jim Tressell’s OSU program look like the model of propriety. JoePa should clean out his desk today. The team should forfeit all of its 2011 games right now and just hang it up for the year. They shouldn’t represent the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl and should not be allowed to participate in the inaugural Big Ten title game.
When I heard the news first come out, I could never have imagined that Paterno knew anything about it. The first idea that came into my mind was: There’s no way Paterno knew. If he had, the guy would have immediately been out on his ass and in jail. I assumed that the others probably covered it up from Paterno. This is just crazy.
I’ve been a PSU football fan since I was 9 years old, in 1979. This is the first time in my life that I officially disown a favorite team. I have tons of PSU hats, t-shirts, etc. that will go directly into the garbage bag, and off to the dump Thursday morning.
Two officials have now been charged with perjury. Are there any penalties for failing to follow the reporting requirements? If not, they need to add in some.