It wouldn’t have been as big as this, but it would still have been one of the biggest scandals college football had seen in a very long time.
You can not believe someone without necessarily believing they are lying. Regardless, perhaps he promoted the GA because he was a good coach. Why do you think his veracity on that one issue would be the decisive factor anyway?
You said:
The GJ report actually said:
These are very different, and there’s a lot of ambiguity in the latter that is not present in the former. Since your entire point was that there was no ambiguity in what JP was told, your misrepresentation was significant to your case.
Only because I was trying to isolate some variables, make the situation similar to penn state but modify the severity of the crime. As you said previously, and I agree, that being a witness alters the equation, so I didn’t want to go there.
Ok, thanks.
I love how the Paterno apologists are pretending that Joe had no ability to actually participate in the conversation.
GA: “Coach, I saw Sandusky in the shower with a 10-yr-old, doing something of a sexual nature.”
JoePa: “If only there was some way to get more details about what you saw. Oh well, I guess I’ll just pass you off to somebody else. Someone a lot less powerful than me. That should work.”
If you can’t trust your subordinate to correctly identify a child rape when they claim to see it, what can you trust them to do?
In Pennsylvania are you legally required to report abuse?
There are going to be civil suits for damages to kids for the next few years. It will cost the university a lot of money. i am sure tuition will go up. But this can not be swept under the rug. It will be fromnt page news for a long time.
OK. (You seemed to be presupposing that there was some case in which I agreed that someone with secondhand knowledge had to get involved - I wasn’t sure where this came from.)
Still, there’s a tradeoff between severity and credibility. Even in a murder case, if the guy who told you about it is the local drunk, then I would say you don’t necesarily need to press on after reporting it.
I’m not sure what your point is here - that JP needed to get precise details so that in case those whose job it was to deal with it decided to cover it up instead that he’d know that they’d done this? He set up McQueary to discuss it with those in charge, and they could find out the details as well as he could.
But beyond this, I’ve suggested earlier that McQueary may not have been sure of what he saw at the time he saw it, and his determination that it was anal sex was an interpretation.
And on that note, I see now that there’s actually a suggestion of this in the GJ report (page 7)
Sounds like he wasn’t completely sure even then (unless the “believed to be” refers to uncertainty over whether it was Sandusky or not).
[Also, I was wondering about the “rhythmic, slapping sounds” that he believed to be from sexual activity. I’m not sure what rhythmic slapping sounds are associated with sexual activity, and in any event, I find it odd that someone who hears rhythmic slapping sounds coming from a shower would assume it was from sexual activity. So I think it’s likely that McQueary’s understanding of what he saw evolved over time, which may have colored his recollections as well.]
It was his job to deal with it. That’s what my fucking point is.
Seriously? You’re not sure what rhythmic slapping sounds are associated with sexual activity? Are you a 15-year-old virgin? The slapping sound of the front of someone’s thighs rhythmically hitting someone else’s ass cheeks.
You’re either very naive, very inexperienced, or very disingenuous.
No, it was not his job. So your point is wrong.
The only question here was whether JP should have reported it to the police directly or suffice with reporting it to his superiors. Either way, his job was just to report it to someone, and he didn’t have to know the precise details.
I am not familiar with this concept. But if you are, and you say it’s so, I could be wrong.
Strike that paragraph, then.
No, you’re wrong. It was his job.
Would you like for me to provide you a cite? Perhaps you haven’t heard that the only people whose opinions matter, the BoT, agree with me.
And Dougy Howser is down one!
Phipps that is.
It’s not his job to know exactly what is going on in the facilities he oversees and the people he allows to use them? Really?
No point in continuing this conversation if that is your belief.
Yes.
The BoT is engaged in PR damage control.
But out of curiousity, suppose the BoT did not agree with you. Would you change your position? Being that they are the “only people whose opinions matter”.
I suppose I’m a bit out of my league when it comes to anal sex.
You got to know when to hold em … 
You’re a virgin, right? Besides being an utter tool of course.
NB: He hears the sound first, he believes them to be of sexual nature…and then, he confirms his suspicion as he SEES Sandusky buttfucking a little boy.
Hope that helps. But I doubt it. Lobotomy victims are hard to reach through reason and logic.
People who hold certain jobs are - whether Paterno in particular is a mandated reporter or not, I couldn’t tell you.
Okay. Open any major news site. On the front page, you will find a link to an article that contains news of Joe Pa’s firing.
No shit. That’s what happens when one of their employees totally fails to do his job.
They are the only people who matter when it comes to their employees job expectations. Joe Pa was morally wrong either way.