It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program.

I don’t see where McQueary is “tried to do the right thing” any more than JP. They both reported it to their supervisors on campus and not to any outside authorities. The only difference - and it’s not in McQ’s favor - is that he was an actual witness while JP only had a (apparently somewhat ambiguous) second hand report.

Not preventing us from finding out isn’t the same as not having an interest in preventing us from finding out. Yes, he could have had Sandusky murdered and he didn’t. I’m not sure what that’s supposed to suggest.

We don’t have any idea what his motivations were, and there’s always the possibility that when people try to do something fucked up, they’ll even fuck up the fucked-up thing, and they won’t even get the fucked-up thing they wanted. All we know is the specific thing he didn’t do, and a little bit about was going on around him at the time. brickbacon said there was no downside to speaking out instead of accepting the risk that Sandusky would continue raping children. That isn’t true, whether or not Paterno ended up realizing the opposite downside. It’s disingenuous to suggest that because Paterno would have ended up looking better if he’d done the right thing, we can conclude that he must not have done anything wrong. If that was a convincing argument every dumbass criminal in the world would have an iron-clad trial strategy.

You know who else thinks it’s a bad idea that Paterno was fired?

The guy did not work for him at the time, so I am not sure why it would reflect more poorly on his program to report the incident, or even to have someone else report it, than to engage in a vast cover-up.

He was not his prized assistant at the time. But more importantly, there was basically zero chance of this not getting out considering the guy was still in close contact with kids, and engaging brazen, often public inappropriate behavior.

That is not informative or helpful in the least. As I sure you can imagine, opinions on the reasonability of your speculation vary. You also didn’t answer my other questions.

OK, that’s pretty funny.

If the people involved had done what they were supposed to do, Sandusky’s crimes would have been a distant memory today. Now the coverup is viewed as being nearly as bad as the sexual abuse itself.

I saw a picture of Paterno receiving a plaque after breaking Eddie Robinson’s wins record. How hollow and meaningless has that commemoration become in light of all this? A lifetime of accomplishment has been completely overshadowed. Hope it was worth it.

I think it says that most human beings can’t imagine why a grown man didn’t intervene to stop an adult from anally raping a 10-year-old child, but instead chose to walk away and report it to his boss the next day.

If I missed an earlier post, I’m sorry.

Where are the people worrying about the young boys, now young men, that were injured?

I have zero sympathy.

So, on the one hand, Paterno didn’t know enough to have any moral responsibility to do anything about it. But on the other hand, if he knew anything, he knew that there was “basically zero chance” the public wouldn’t find out about it because Sandusky’s crimes were so blatant. He couldn’t have thought he’d benefit from keeping it at arm’s length, because he knew everyone would find out what happened. Even though he did not in fact find out what happened.

And yes, I know that Sandusky was retired at the time. I really am having a hard time believing that you need it explained to you how a thing that happened at a Penn State facility in 2002 involving a Penn State coordinator who retired in 1999 but still had access to Penn State offices might have reflected poorly on the god-king of Penn State football.

Ok, maybe Sandusky didn’t work for Paterno at the time of the rape. He had free access to the buildings and I believe still had an office on campus. Was he accountable to no one?

This is either brilliant satire or the dumbest post in this thread.

Perhaps Paterno saw Sandusky as an extension of himself, like one of the family, and so he thought it better to just keep things quiet rather than escalate things to the authorities. Perhaps he was also worried about protecting Sandusky’s family from the aggravation that would indoubtedly occur if the man was arrested. Perhaps also Paterno was overly invested in keeping the image of the school as pristine as possible. A pedophile as a emeritus faculty member wrecks that image.

And yall, I hate to say it, but this is a rape thread and so it’s relevant. But I’m wondering also if some of the guys didn’t take this seriously because they thought that maybe this was wanted sexual contact. If they convinced themselves this wasn’t a big deal because maybe the boys wanted it, then I could see how they could rationalize not calling the cops. Clearly, if the boy didn’t want to be raped in the shower, he would have screamed for help, right? I could totally see them thinking this. Such logic is applied to girls all the time, so why not boys?

Sandusky worked for Joe Pa for thirty years. It’s not like he’s some guy who was a quality control assistant for a couple of years. This clearly would have reflected badly on JP.

Or, perhaps pedophilia is as common as shoulder pads in college football.

Maybe the “Big 10” means something more than most people think it does. :stuck_out_tongue:

While I bet plenty of people would like to do him harm because he didnt stop the rape/whatever it was right then and there I’d be money a good number of rabid Penn State fans want to harm him ala the kill the messenger train of thought.

You know, the latter never occurred to me. People are so messed up.

He reported it. If his bosses followed up, it would have ended then.
He could have and probably should have done more, but he did something. Paterno swept it under the rug because he thought Sandusky was a good coach. The people with power failed to act.

Since when? Remember, the victim wasn’t an adult, or even a teenager. I’d think the only people you’d ever find deciding that a 10 year old girl was probably a willing participant would be other child-rapists.

He is the one who witnessed a little boy getting butt raped and didn’t call the cops, of all the blame he deserves the biggest chunk.

Sometimes, I think I really have just lived too long. I’m utterly stunned that there are people that can defend the actions of these people.

Are you kidding me? That someone could see the actions of McQuery as someone trying to do the right thing just flabbergasts me. He made eye contact with this child. What on earth must those eyes have looked like? Full of fear and maybe even shame? Or are we to imagine that this 10 year old boys eyes were half closed in some sort of orgasmic pleasure? Seriously?

My mothers boyfriend put his finger in my vagina when I was around 10 years old. Just his finger. Not his penis and not in my anus. But you know what. It fucking hurt! And it scared the fuck out of me. And if an adult had walked in and made eye contact with me while this happened, and then walked away, the damage that this one small incident did to me, would have been worse. What message would I have taken away from this additional wrong thing another adult had just done to me? You are on your own kiddo. No one is going to help you here. Just dry up those tears, little girl.

Now, I don’t consider myself too damaged by this, since he only ever tried one other time and didn’t get further than a fat finger in my shorts before my siblings came home and stopped further attempts, but just for one second, can you put yourself in those kids place?

I never told my mom about this until I was almost 45 years old because he told me he would kill her with the gun I knew he carried. So he was her boyfriend for a long time and I lived in fear of him. How much worse must it have been for these boys?

I hope I haven’t broken any rules by posting that. I just don’t know how else to express the outrage I feel.

He could easily have pulled Sandusky off the kid, better yet.