I heard on the radio yesterday an interesting theory as to why McQueary is still coaching. The guy said that since McQueary is a material witness in the criminal case and an important prosecution that PSU has been pressured not to do anything to potentially put that at risk.
Okay, if PSU weren’t engaging in some type of cover up (or praying that it would just quietly go away) these are things I don’t get:
Sandusky stepped down from the daily running of The Second Mile in September 2010 to “focus on his family and personal matter.” By that time the investigation was in full swing and the higher ups at PSU had to have heard of the investigation and/or were spoken to about it. McQueary testified in December 2010. Schultz and Curley testified on January 12, 2011. Both denied being told by McQueary that his accusation was about anal sex. So, by January 2011, if they didn’t already know it, they knew then that the accusation was about anal sex with a minor child. Graham Spanier testified sometime in April at which point he would have known the accusation was about anal sex with a minor.
Even if I give all these people the benefit of the doubt about not knowing the specifics of the act in 2002, they knew by the beginning of 2011 but they still allowed Sandusky on the campus. They could have easily banned him until at least the investigation was over. The only reason I can come up with for not banning him once they knew what the accusations were is because people might start asking questions about why he was banned. By April 2011 Joepa, Spanier, Curley and Schultz all knew exactly what the accusations were (because they were all specifically asked if they knew the accusation involved anal sex with a minor). Why was the Board of Trustees not notified right then? If they were, why did they finally just decide this week to start their own internal investigation? At the very least their investigation should have started in April.
The whole situation screams cover up.
I am astounded by the defenders of this asshole.
To me, college football is annoying white noise that preempts something I find worth watching on TV. I have never heard of Joe Paterno before this week. I passed through State College several times when I was a roadie but I didn’t really remember that Penn State was the associated college and I didn’t know that they had a renowned sports program until… this week.
This is a side effect of elevating a sports program–or anything-- into a religion and elevating the humans that make it possible to Gods. I don’t think you folks that are defending this guy realize how ridiculous you sound and I think if you were to encounter your words out of context with “Joe Blow whom I don’t know” replacing Joe Paterno you would be disgusted by your own written thoughts.
It seems like a lot of people feel that the God that is Penn State Football must be preserved any any costs and if a whole generation of 10 year old boys whose parents are too poor to send their kids to Penn State or give Penn State money must be victimized by a serial buttfucker of children in order to protect the program and keep the money flowing in, so be it. Our Gods must be protected at all costs and what is the physical and emotional heatlh of children worth compared to FOOTBALL…not much. It’s just another wothwhile sacrifice to your God.
It’s really just the logical conclusion to the continual moral slippage that comes from deitizing college athletics and it really isn’t a coincidence that the most obvious parallel case happened within the Catholic Church.
I hope the whole athletic program there crashes and burns,maybe then I’d find something on TV on Sunday afternoons.
You don’t like sports. Check.
I don’t think that’s reasonable. Sandusky was not going to answer these questions, and neither would they. I doubt if too many people would get seriously worked up about investigating why some long-retired guy stopped coming to the campus.
I also don’t see the whole significance of the PSU campus thing. Sandusky wasn’t any more dangerous on the PSU campus than he was elsewhere. Why is it such a big deal if he was banned then or if they waited until he was indicted?
So you’re saying they were engaged in an effort to cover it up from the public while they knew there was a GJ investigation going on? Surely they would have realized by then that it was futile.
The '08 investigation began with Sandusky…then led to all the summons.
Here’s a timeline that should help you connect the dots: Timeline of events in Penn State scandal
Well, almost no one.
College football is played on Saturdays and I doubt ESPN would, as an alternative, be showing anything else that you’d like better.
Your comments were otherwise fine. FWIW, though, I do not think the posters here who complain of a witch hunt or unfair outrage against JP are actually Penn State boosters or fanatics. I’m not sure what their agenda is, but I don’t think it’s that, and in fairness, none of them have voiced the sort of “this is an outrage, JoePa roolzzz!” stuff we saw from the student body (and most recently from this cretinous moron – Ashton Kutcher's Paterno tweet sends actor running for PR cover)
Yeah, I suggested upthread that it almost sounded as if there were some weird agenda there for wanting to create some category of “not all that bad lesser sexual contact with a child.” He said he wasn’t self-justifying any skeletons in his own closet, and (for purposes of this post, because how can you know on the interwebz?), I’ll take him at his word. Does leave me scratching my head as to the persistence of the “oh, it might not have been that bad, or at least JP could reasonably have thought so” defense.
I don’t want all college football stopped, even though I personally don’t watch it or care about it. It’s easy to avoid it on TV. That’s not to say that you don’t make some excellent points, Ann Hedonia, because I think you do.
It is very disheartening to learn about so many people not doing the right thing in this whole horrible situation. Terribly sad.
Here’s a tidbit for the conspiracy theorists amongst us: the DA who decided not to pursue charges back in 1998 went missing in 2005. They found his car and laptop, but not him.
In breaking news the Texas AG is investigating what happened at the 1998 Alamo bowl in San Antonio. Allegedly, Sandusky took a kid with him and had him stay with him in his hotel room. When the kid resisted his advances, Sandusky threatened to send him home.
Also, Paterno has hired a top level criminal lawyer.
This thing isn’t going away soon.
Yeah, anyone who responds to any story of child sexual abuse with, “Well, but mayyyyybe…” is going to get my contempt.
I love sports, and I don’t disagree with anything she said (aside from college football on a Sunday - that’s just crazy talk).
Any Pitt graduates out there smirking or chuckling? Any?
Any St Olaf graduates wishing it had been Gustavus Adolphus?
No?
OK – back to the pitting.
So, are they going to have to change the name of Beaver Stadium?
Interesting case here. Swim coach molests kids and the parents subsequently sue everyone involved for knowing about prior abuse and doing nothing.
Is there any legal precedent for criminal charges in these types of cases?
I think it’s interesting that the statement Paterno was going to make about exactly what McQueary told him keep getting delayed. I assume his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up because - even if this is really how Paterno remembers it nine years later - nobody is going to believe McQueary described the rape of a child as “horseplay” and it’s suspiciously close to the “horsing around” euphemism that got Curley and Schultz indicted for perjury. I can believe he used a euphemism that might’ve been misinterpreted, but then again, it’s not like they were communicating by Morse code right before a blackout. And we know McQueary told other officials exactly what he saw.
Have you ever read the indictment?
This incident is mentioned in the discussion of Victim 4.
But the GJ indicted Curley & Schultz for perjury - for contradicting McQueary, apparently on this exact point - and not Paterno. So McQueary must have not contradicted Paterno about this.
In general, defendants’ lawyers don’t like their clients talking to the media, ever.
OTOH, McQueary spoke to Paterno the next day, and to the other two only a week and a half later. McQueary could have changed his mind about what he intended to reveal or become more sure of what he had seen, in the interim.
I can not stay out of this thread…
Does anyone think it is really possible that the disappearance of Gricar could be tied to this? I keep telling myself, it can’t be. But I can’t convince myself. This just grows more horrible by the minute.
Just wanted to point out that Penn State is NOT, despite it’s name, a state school. It is a private institution (though it was state owned at one time) which does get a large amount of moneyfrom the state of Pennsylvania as do 3 other “State Related” schools.
They are on their own and any attempt to squeeze more money from the state will be suspect at this point. In fact it may be the case that this will be an opportunity to quit giving them money all together or at least significantly cut funds. I don’t think Pennsylvania taxpayers will be keen to contribute to any pay-outs. This one isn’t.