One thing I think I have not seen addressed here much. If I have missed this then please move on to the next assumption.
If Mr. McQueary Sr. was privy to all of what his son told him - how has HE remained silent over all these years?
Surely if he had gone to police or child protective services, his testimony would be no less “hearsay” to the words of his son than what McQueary Jr. told to Paterno.
If they both (JP and McQ. Sr.), apparently listened to what Jr. had to say after the fact, they both hear it at second hand. It is on record that McQ. Jr. first related his experience of finding Sandusky in the shower with that poor child to his father.
So how is McQ. Sr. any less culpable for not making a report?
Yes, he may not be a mandatory reporter, but really…
Could you hear that sort of story from your own son - likely a credible source and fade back into the shadows and just move on with your life?.
Somebody please tell me what this man must have been thinking?
I sure do not have too much basis in the world to hang this on, but I have to think that Mr. McQ. Sr. has to be examining his conscience a whole lot right now. He knew a lot more than he told.
His son tells him of atrocities and he dawdles in reporting it and then hibernates for a decade.
I hope his soul is burns in hell for what he, and others, neglected to do.
Well, I’ve never been much into college football, but I’ve always leaned more towards Pitt myself, so at least I feel better about that.
Read some of the reviews on Amazon. They’re almost as good as the ones for the Three Wolf Moon Shirt.
Missing WHAT point? The only “point” is that there were children being abused, Paterno was made aware of it, and did nothing. Reading the grand jury indictment made my skin crawl. Sandusky didn’t fool anyone – there were EYE WITNESSES, who didn’t do jackshit other than pass the buck. Whatever happened to “the buck stops here?”
And to paint these people as “victims” – good god, what kind of twisted idea is that?
I’d say that knowing kids were being molested – hell, SEEING it – and not going to the authorities, is more than a “blind spot” or a “flaw”. Good god, what the fuck is WRONG with you?
I don’t know if I would have beaten that guy if I had walked in on Sandusky like McQueary did, but I’m more than willing to bet that I would probably would have reacted in some way that he would have heard me. If only out of fucking shock and terror. Jesus, how can you see something like that and NOT react? I’d probably be like, “OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK!!!”
To say McQueary was “scare”. Oh, poor baby. Poor, poor baby. Well, I’m sure that kid feels a lot of sympathy for him. (Even if he only said he saw “fondling”, when, isn’t that bad enough??? As long as it’s not actually “rape” it’s no big deal?
Well fuck that shit. Fuck all OVER that shit. I’ve been following this whole thing, and it makes me just want to both vomit and cry.
You people sicken me. Especially you, Starving Artist. Why don’t you go fellate a dead raccoon, you fucked up piece of weasel shit? I’ve disagreed with you in the past, but I NEVER thought I’d see you defending covering up for fucking child molestation.
I think it was more than this. I think he saw the position his son had at the university, and knew that if he opened his mouth, he would probably not have a future at PSU, especially if he went behind Paterno’s back.
His advice to tell Paterno was something, but not the only thing that should have been done. But living in the State College area, he probably knew about the power that Paterno had at the university and in town, so doing anything before Paterno acted on the information was not something he was willing to do. After hearing what Paterno and the university did (or more importantly didn’t do), he should have gone to the police. He was out of excuses as far as I can see. But he chose to keep silent, and watch his son get promoted at PSU over the years, and secure not only his paycheck but his future. His son had a great job, with great benefits… why jeopardize that? Not only was his son in tight with Paterno, but Sr. may have had fleeting access to THE LEGEND too, like at a staff/family function, for example.
This is what bothers me. How could you toss away the life of a 10 year old boy for the potential benefit of your own self or a family member? How do you live with yourself? I hope Sr and Jr both are living in their own personal hells right now, visited daily by the spirit of the child that was raped in the shower, as well as who knows how many other children who suffered at the hands of that sick twist Sandusky.
If you read the grand jury indictment, there are so many adults who knew about Sandusky and did nothing. Why did all of these people make the wrong choices?
Hereis the other article I referred to, suggesting Sandusky “pimped out” some of these kids as well.
It sounds outrageous, but then again, what part of this story doesn’t?
I believe there is a link to the original Madden story in this article. He does ask one simple question. Would you give Sandusky the benefit of the doubt now? And the answer is, “why would you?”
Who can imagine their own child being abused like that, and having an adult like McQ witnessing the abuse and doing nothing about it, because he wanted to protect his paycheck?
I can’t go on commenting about this sickness … it’s too painful.
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You people sicken me. Especially you, Starving Artist. Why don’t you go fellate a dead raccoon, you fucked up piece of weasel shit? I’ve disagreed with you in the past, but I NEVER thought I’d see you defending covering up for fucking child molestation.
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It’s all in your mind, Guin. Facts are facts, and the facts as we know them so far, don’t agree with a lot of the hysteria in this thread. And hewing to the facts does not equate to covering up for child molestation. You may feel that in the case of especially egregious crimes it’s fine to throw caution to the wind and abandon every precept of law and reason and act upon your basest instincts, but I don’t. And that puts me on the side of law and order and you on the side of witch hunters, pitchfork bearers and lynch mobs, and people like that always have disdain for the law and order types who would stand in their way.
I don’t think badly of you as a person, Guin, but in this case you have simply lost your mind. Solely because of the outrageousness of the crime you’ve completely abandoned perspective and the rules of law and evidence. You and everyone like you are making a shit ton of presumptions and then proceeding as though your imaginings are fact. And worse, you’re behaving as though those imagined facts justify vigilante attitudes.
Those of us that you people are so mad at are not “enabling child abuse” or “taking up for child rapists”; we’re merely keeping level heads and looking at the situation in the same way you if the crime were of a less inflammatory nature.
Quoted because it agrees with you. That doesn’t make it truth. The article wants to argue on moral grounds, not legal. That’s not a factual argument. It can’t “win” or be “true.” It’s essentially opinion. Not to mention none of his remarks share the opinion that Paterno didn’t know what happened which has been the minority opinion in this thread. He argues that it was better for Paterno to not take the case farther for his own sake and the schools (libel, losing friends and supporters, etc.).
Simply put, this lawyer dudes opinion carries no more weight than the opinions of anyone else. If you want to wrap yourself up in it and let it keep you warm at night, safe and secure that you’re right and everyone else is just being Nancy Grace-y, go nuts. Just remember that it’s an opinion. Not legal fact. Not “truth.”
Sorry SA, but I see nothing there but the strained justifications of a lawyer.
If any one of these guys had simply dialed 911 & said, “I’d like to report a possible sexual assault on a minor”, & then relayed what they knew to the responding officer or detective, then I might be willing to overlook the other lapses in their behavior. But, saying that “it was reported to the head of the whole police dept.” doesn’t really cut it with me. A position like that is too political in nature. Joe knows that. Joe knew that.
I’d have gone with “this dude’s opinion carries LESS weight”, because it is incredibly stupid. His comment that people who think Paterno should have done more don’t understand “the law of criminal investigation” is pure inanity. Putting aside the braindead faux lawyer speak (I, in over a decade as a prosecutor, have never heard of the “law of criminal investigation”), this guy opines that Paterno shouldn’t have done any additional investigation on his own to protect potential victims because … well the police can’t be sued. It makes no sense, and was an attempt to wrap up his point with language from a case. He seems to think that, if one incident is a police matter, you don’t have to do anything else whatsoever, no matter how many other incidents or how much other evidence occurs, because, well the police can’t be sued.
He then goes on and says that Paterno shouldn’t have taken any remedial measures, or sought to find out the truth, because Sandusky might have sued PSU for libel or “called into question the safety of the campus” (huh?). How Sandusky could have sued Paterno for finding out for himself what actually happened or to take remedial measures based on some pretty damn clear evidence isn’t really explained, so it’s hard to say exactly why he is so wrong. Nobody was saying Paterno should have taken out a full paged add accusing Sandusky of child rape and raise libel issues, but that’s the strawman this idiot had to build.
Finally, this lawyer opines that Paterno shouldn’t have gone to the police because it might be bad for his job, an act of “insubordination” that might cause him to lose the “trust” of his fellow coaches. This is the cherry on top of the pile of festering crap this blogger posts. It’s simply a rewording of “the football program shouldn’t suffer over a witnessed child rape”. Disgusting.
I’m guessing SA spent a lot of time googling “Paterno defense lawyer” or “Paterno not blame” and came across the ramblings of an idiot and decided to post it. But that blog post is nonsensical and wrong.
The author’s mistake is in believing this would have been a bad thing. When something actually is unsafe, calling attention to this fact is often the first step in solving the problem.
Everybody give Starving Artist a break. Remember, he longs for a better time, when men were men and everyone was polite and people covered up for child rapists. You can hardly blame him for his disillusionment in this case.
I disagree. When it comes right down to it, ending the season now hurts the players and the fans the most. Especially the players. They have worked their whole lives for this and shouldn’t be punished for things they didn’t do and weren’t aware of. I think a better option for PSU would be to donate 100% of the profits from the rest of the games this season to a charity (and not Second Mile either) dedicated to helping children who have suffered sexual abuse. That would show that they care about the victims and not impact everyone who did nothing wrong.
Personally, I wonder if he isn’t a mandatory reporter. He’s got a physician assistant degree and works for Centre Medical and Surgical Associates. But the way the law is written he may be in the clear because he didn’t suspect abuse of a child through his employment. Morally, he makes me as sick as the rest of them.
