Is this a rejection of the existence of transgender, and/or gender identity, as a whole?
Gender as a whole. I’ve said repeatedly throughout this thread that I don’t believe in gender, at least in the way it’s assumed in trans discourse.
I only believe in biological sex.
So here’s some new bizarreness to talk about.
Compare and contrast the information on these two links.
What is the justification for the disparate treatments? (No gaslighting this time please.)
I understand now.
You just want to secure the existence of women and a future for female children.
I get it. I know what you are.
Nice!
And what is that?
2 different authors?
@YWTF, I’m curious what you call the stuff that genderized that isn’t biological sex related.
For instance, you don’t dress like a male. You dress in feminine clothing and you groom yourself in a feminine way. You carry yourself in a way that looks “female” even if it would be hard to describe how.
This stuff is an expression of gender identity. When I wear skirts and wear jewelry, I’m subconsciously waving a flag–a flag that communicates “I’m a woman!” I could dress in another way and be just as happy. But I know I wouldn’t be happy if people defaulted to “sir” when they see me, so I try to put something in my appearance that flashes “ma’am”.
I get what you are saying about biological sex being the cleanest classifier and my inner taxonomist sees the efficiency of using it for sorting purposes. But I do believe in gender, since I believe gender expression is a thing. I don’t believe in gender ideology, but I don’t think that means the concept of gender identity is garbage.
ETA because the timeout is ridiculous: I mean, further down the “female” page is an article on " Health Screening Tests Every Woman Needs" (authored by the same author as the “male” definition, BTW) which talks about “women” and clearly meaning “biological females”, so even that one page isn’t consistently … whatever you think they are.
It’s a product socialization. I was raised to see myself as female and with this upbringing comes a million and one influences that have shaped my behavior and aesthetic. I have been socialized to conform to the gender norms that apply to women.
It’s no more innate than my “black” speech pattern when I talk with family or my “black” musical tastes. These things both reinforce and flow from my identity as a black person, and I know exactly where they come from. They come from being raised a certain way.
When I say I don’t believe in gender as it’s viewed by gender ideologists, I mean I don’t believe gender is innate. I don’t believe men are inherently into wearing pants instead of skirts, and I don’t believe they are born acting and thinking a certain way. Our society reinforces gender conformity by not only pushing gender norms and expectations, but also by impressing upon us that men and women are supposed to be different.
It’s an insidious process that starts from a young age. From the names we give babies, to the gendered marketing of toys and clothes, to assumptions and stereotypes, to the whole nine.
That is gender as I believe it to be. When people say they have a certain gender identity, my default assumption is that they are saying “I don’t identify with the package of traits that society has told me belong to my birth sex; I would much rather have the package the opposite sex has”.
OK, gotcha.
I can’t speak for others, but I feel a very strong gender identity that matches my birth sex.
How confident are you this identity is innate? If you were raised in a culture where girls and boys always were given unisex names, media and toys were not mired in gender marketing, and sexist stereotypes didn’t abound (girls are bad at math; boys like fart jokes), do you think your gender identity would be as strongly male?
I can understand being satisfied (or not) with the package of traits that society says match your birth sex, because in several ways I’m not. (I daresay I could diagnose myself as a different one of the 58 genders if I was young enough to take them seriously.) And I can understand being unhappy with your body and wanting to change it. Is there supposed to be more to it than that?
About as certain as one can be about such feelings, I suppose.
Boys do like fart jokes. Boys are also at a loss what to do when girls fart. It’s like breaking boundaries.
I distinctly remember farting once in middle school. A boy heard it and called me out for it. With a straight face, I told him that it wasn’t me because girls do not fart.
Not sure if he believed me 100%, but I saw his conviction falter a smidgen.
I learned the truth when I got married. So many shattered illusions. 
Sure. There is no doubt that gender expression is a thing. It is not, however, necessary to connect it to one’s sex (and of course it’s wholly contextual; in other times and cultures, the way you express femininity now might not be considered feminine.)
I mean, this is what our society has spent the last hundred years trying to get rid of. Sixty or seventy years ago it was generally considered unacceptable for women to wear pants in most contexts; both boys and girls, but mostly girls, were directed into certain interests, manners of dress, and even courses of study based on gender. Allowing men and women to choose their manner of expression but still allowing them to be men and women was a great step forward for liberal Western society.
A young boy should be allowed to like Frozen and play with dolls, and a young girl should be allowed to like hockey and play with toy dinosaurs, without being told they’re not really a boy or girl, respectively. If they CHOOSE to be stereotypically masculine or feminine, fine. But if a boy wants to be feminine, let him.
300 female athletes signed the letter below, and yesterday some shitty LGBT website doxxed them to try and start a witch hunt. Women should have a right to speak up about things that affect us. These bullying tactics need to end.